Christianity would die without Islam.

Belief is a psychological and imposed condition. Mutual fear and The Nobel Lie is sustaining both Islam and Christianity by governments. They are using religion and the religious as patsies.

The Lie is necessary, Plato argues, in order to keep a stable social structure. In Plato’s mind, The Noble Lie is a religious lie that’s fed to the masses to keep them under control and happy with their situation in life.

Plato did not believe most people were smart enough to look after their own and society’s best interest. The few smart people of the world needed to lead the rest of the flock, Plato said. And The Noble Lie had to continue.

I have been puzzled for some time now as to why the West embraces a pathological and genocidal God who shows almost all works and deeds of hate instead of love.

If I understand why the West chose the Christian God of war correctly, that choice was made and is sustained by the pressures of war brought against it by Islam. The Islamic dogma of kill the infidels show other religions that that God is just as pathological and intolerant as the Christian God with his, believe in me or end in hell policy. The West fought fire with fire. A holy pissing contest based on the Noble Lie on both sides.

Rome, now the West, would have had to have a different God than what their Eastern counterparts had. Rome was created as a defensive response to invasions from the Khans and tribes of the Fertile Crescent, Islam. As the Asian tribes relented in their expansion, the main enemy of the West became and is now Islam.

Constantine chose Christianity. First, as a ploy to win in battle and maintained it later, even as he was not a Christian at heart, for his own self-aggrandizement as his plan, according to archeology, was to usurp Jesus as the new King/God.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WD0eSqFJ7J4

From there, Rome pushed northward and promoted the Christian God of war on his ability to win battles. The West of today was born.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xA_SSpQDp...re=related

Unfortunately, morality was never the draw for this Christian God. Only his barbarism that was used against all other Gods and most notably Islam’s.

The fear of Islam then is what is still the driving force that explains the West embracing the pathological and genocidal God of Christianity. It was all just the one-upmanship of killing power.

Vatican II tried for rapprochement with Islam and today, progressive Christianity is trying to offer an olive branch to Islam.

Are the right wings of Christianity and Islam ready to bury the hatchet of war and competition and have their Gods kiss and make up or will the demographics of Muslim peoples force the remainder of this century to be one of conflict?
Will both religions have what it takes to return to the older thinking that there is only one nameless God for all, or will we continue to fight for what is basically a name for God that all books of wisdom say we should not name?

http://www.patheos.com/blogs/slacktivist...with-love/

Should both Christianity and Islam revert and follow their religious root, Judaism, and recognize that their man created versions of their Gods are evil and reject them as unfit to rule any peaceful loving egalitarian nation?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dx7irFN2gdI

Regards
DL

Quote:The Noble Lie is a religious lie that’s fed to the masses to keep them under control and happy with their situation in life.

Religion is what keeps the poor from murdering the rich. - Napoleon I

do you actually expect anyone to give you 2 hours of their lives for the sake of this arguement?

You just go back to reading your fairy tales, drippy. It's all you can handle.

The only positive affect on the increase of Christianity because of Islam has not been seen in many centuries. It's the reason the Dark Ages came to an end when the Barbaric leaders converted to Christianity starting in great numbers in the 8th century.

Not even close.

The fucking church had been shoving jesus up the barbarians' asses for a long time prior to the 8th century.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clovis_I#Catholic_king

Quote:Catholic king

Clovis had previously married the Catholic Burgundian princess Clotilde (later canonized as St. Clotilde), and, according to Gregory of Tours, as a result of his victory at Tolbiac (traditionally set in 496), he converted to her Catholic faith. Before his conversion he had been adamant about not converting from his pagan religion to Christianity. Clotilde had wanted her son to be baptized but Clovis refused to allow it, so Clotilde had the child baptized without Clovis's knowledge. Shortly after his baptism, their son died, and his death further strengthened Clovis's resistance to converting to Christianity. Clotilde also had their second son baptized without her husband's permission, and this son got very ill and nearly died after his baptism.[9] Yet Christianity did offer certain advantages to Clovis as he fought to distinguish his rule among many competing power centers in western Europe. His conversion to the Roman Catholic form of Christianity served to set him apart from the other Germanic kings of his time, such as those of the Visigoths and the Vandals, who had converted from pagan beliefs to Arian Christianity. His embrace of the Roman Catholic faith may also gained him the support of the Catholic Gallo-Roman aristocracy in his later campaign against the Visigoths, which drove them from southern Gaul (507). His conversion to Catholicism resulted in a great many of his people converting to Catholicism as well.[10] According to legend, it was only by invoking the God of his Christian wife, Clotilde, that he defeated his enemy. Clotilde was almost certainly instrumental in Clovis' conversion to the Catholic faith.

Yes, but it was not until 732 CE that they were like "oh shit we actually have a common enemy who wants to convert us to that, let's unite as Christians and oppose them". The end of the Dark Ages coincided with the growing strength of the Church worming itself into politics.

I know it does not go well with your bullshit, but fuck if I care about your fantasies.

(October 15, 2012 at 9:47 pm)Polaris Wrote: The end of the Dark Ages coincided with the growing strength of the Church worming itself into politics.

They called that the Inquisition.

(October 15, 2012 at 9:47 pm)Polaris Wrote: The end of the Dark Ages coincided with the growing strength of the Church worming itself into politics.

Uh, no.

Quote: Yes, but it was not until 732 CE that they were like "oh shit we actually have a common enemy who wants to convert us to that, let's unite as Christians and oppose them".

They "united?" I don't think so. In fact, one of Urban II's rationales for launching the Crusades was to stop xtians from slaughtering each other.

In the words of Robert the Monk, Urban II said:

Quote:this land which you inhabit, shut in on all sides by the seas and surrounded by the mountain peaks, is too narrow for your large population; nor does it abound in wealth; and it furnishes scarcely food enough for its cultivators. Hence it is that you murder one another, that you wage war, and that frequently you perish by mutual wounds. Let therefore hatred depart from among you, let your quarrels end, let wars cease, and let all dissensions and controversies slumber. Enter upon the road to the Holy Sepulchre; wrest that land from the wicked race, and subject it to yourselves ... God has conferred upon you above all nations great glory in arms.

BTW, they later made this murdering motherfucker a "saint."