DeistPaladin, can you explain to me why so many young american liberterians refer to Ayn Rands works, as their philosophical guidline?
Have they never heard of Robert Nozick or Friedrich Hayek? Or do they simply not bother to further understand their views in depth?

(October 16, 2012 at 4:37 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: I think these days I have a more balanced view as well. When you're young, you see things more in black and white rather than shades of gray. Neither government nor businesses are an evil to be fought. They rather have their roles to play. Life's a bit more of a balance.

Having worked for the UK Government, I wholeheartedly agree. Most Government departments have more than enough on their plate already, trying to keep up with Government policy and/or trying to stop it. If there's any time left over for evil conspiracy shenanigans, I certainly never found it.

(October 16, 2012 at 3:22 pm)DeistPaladin Wrote: and Reagan was the saint.

This is the part that truly is faith based, especially by modern Republicans.

Reagan raised taxes 11 times, raised the debt ceiling 17 times, turned a surplus into a deficit in his first year, turned the US from a creditor nation to a debtor nation.

And did it all as a senile old fuck who was completely stage managed by a crowd of scumbag advisors.

Nonetheless, he was remarkably successful in beginning the massive transfer of wealth from the middle classes to the upper 1%...a task which Mitt the Shitt hopes to complete.

(October 16, 2012 at 5:01 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: DeistPaladin, can you explain to me why so many young american liberterians refer to Ayn Rands works, as their philosophical guidline?
Have they never heard of Robert Nozick or Friedrich Hayek? Or do they simply not bother to further understand their views in depth?

I'm guessing it's all about marketing. Why did John Gray do so well with "Men are from Mars, Women are from Venus" when Deborah Tannen wrote much the same stuff under the less catchy "You Just Don't Understand"? It's just not enough to present information. You have to tell a story or invent a powerful metaphor.

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(October 16, 2012 at 4:59 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Well, I for one am happy to have you seated at our atheist campfire. The intent I was going for, which you acknowledged yourself, was that you are perhaps the most atheist deist of my lamentably limited experience; actually I think you are the only deist in there, but that's by the by. Basically, you are one of my 'go-to guys' on points of scripture, particularly scriptural inconsistency, which is where I find myself having to reprogram my brain to your deistic identity.

A rather longwinded and roundabout way of saying I'm glad you're on our 'side'.

Thank you and I took it as such.

On a somewhat related note to me being a deist who often sounds like an atheist, have you seen AronRa's rant about scripture at the Reason Rally? He's an atheist who sounded like a deist in the first few minutes.

"God could write a much better book. You want me to believe that the same author of DNA wrote the fables in that piece of trash?"





My point is you can approach scripture from either angle and demolish it all the same. I think that's the advantage of including deism in the greater metropolitan city of atheism. As the late, great Christopher Hitchens pointed out, the theist can prove God and still have all their work ahead of them.

(October 16, 2012 at 5:01 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: DeistPaladin, can you explain to me why so many young american liberterians refer to Ayn Rands works, as their philosophical guidline?
Have they never heard of Robert Nozick or Friedrich Hayek? Or do they simply not bother to further understand their views in depth?

There's no such thing as "young american libertarians", neo-nazi's in america call themselves libertarians, and trick stupid potheads into supporting them....... they copy & paste a few cherrypicked quotes of noted libertarian's and disregard every single thing else about them, especially all the anti-religous stuff which is pretty much a core principle........wouldn't you agree?.......

.......anyways they're "liberating" us from the civil rights act and the burden of having highways and railroads, they do however support abortion laws, sodomy (anti-gay) laws, and government mandated racial and religous segregation.......... as well as slavery and that's just the short list. They've disrespected and slandered every american president (especially the ones on our money) yet claim to support the "original" US constitution, personally I think they're referencing the part that says only 35 year old, land-owning, white males can vote

doesn't sound "libertarian" to me, does it to you?

(October 18, 2012 at 3:09 am)cratehorus Wrote:

(October 16, 2012 at 5:01 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: DeistPaladin, can you explain to me why so many young american liberterians refer to Ayn Rands works, as their philosophical guidline?
Have they never heard of Robert Nozick or Friedrich Hayek? Or do they simply not bother to further understand their views in depth?

There's no such thing as "young american libertarians", neo-nazi's in america call themselves libertarians, and trick stupid potheads into supporting them....... they copy & paste a few cherrypicked quotes of noted libertarian's and disregard every single thing else about them, especially all the anti-religous stuff which is pretty much a core principle........wouldn't you agree?.......

.......anyways they're "liberating" us from the civil rights act and the burden of having highways and railroads, they do however support abortion laws, sodomy (anti-gay) laws, and government mandated racial and religous segregation.......... as well as slavery and that's just the short list. They've disrespected and slandered every american president (especially the ones on our money) yet claim to support the "original" US constitution, personally I think they're referencing the part that says only 35 year old, land-owning, white males can vote

doesn't sound "libertarian" to me, does it to you?

I think you're one of the most delusional members of the forum. None of what you say about libertarians is true at all and I can't fathom how anyone would seriously believe such childish notions.

Come on, present the evidence that libertarians are a massive neo-nazi conspiracy (nazism is like the exact opposite of libertarianism).

(October 18, 2012 at 3:24 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:

(October 18, 2012 at 3:09 am)cratehorus Wrote: There's no such thing as "young american libertarians", neo-nazi's in america call themselves libertarians, and trick stupid potheads into supporting them....... they copy & paste a few cherrypicked quotes of noted libertarian's and disregard every single thing else about them, especially all the anti-religous stuff which is pretty much a core principle........wouldn't you agree?.......

.......anyways they're "liberating" us from the civil rights act and the burden of having highways and railroads, they do however support abortion laws, sodomy (anti-gay) laws, and government mandated racial and religous segregation.......... as well as slavery and that's just the short list. They've disrespected and slandered every american president (especially the ones on our money) yet claim to support the "original" US constitution, personally I think they're referencing the part that says only 35 year old, land-owning, white males can vote

doesn't sound "libertarian" to me, does it to you?

I think you're one of the most delusional members of the forum. None of what you say about libertarians is true at all and I can't fathom how anyone would seriously believe such childish notions.

Come on, present the evidence that libertarians are a massive neo-nazi conspiracy (nazism is like the exact opposite of libertarianism).

here ya go babydoll

http://atheistforums.org/thread-14617.html

(October 18, 2012 at 3:36 am)cratehorus Wrote: ...

here ya go babydoll

http://atheistforums.org/thread-14617.html

Tea Party is not a libertarian movement. It's conservative. And Ron Paul does not represent all libertarians.

(October 18, 2012 at 3:40 am)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:

(October 18, 2012 at 3:36 am)cratehorus Wrote: ...

here ya go babydoll

http://atheistforums.org/thread-14617.html

Tea Party is not a libertarian movement. It's conservative. And Ron Paul does not represent all libertarians.

I see absolutely no difference, between the tea party and the american libertarians, I do however, agree that ron paul does not represent all libertarians, but that's because he's NOT a libertarian, he's a neo-nazi