Jesus Christ, Germans. You think you could scale down your monstrous replies and be more to the point?

(November 20, 2012 at 8:00 am)Kousbroek Wrote: No, it is not equality before law, it is equality supported by law.
But maybe one should read it in dutch

Tell me. In Netherlands, can one

1) Have one's employer jailed for providing different salaries people in same position?

2) Have a prospective employer jailed for picking randomly between two equally qualified candidates?

3) Forcibly redistribute income from the rich to the poor in order to equalize the social status?

If your answers to the above questions is 'no', then its not 'equality supported by law', but 'equality before the law'. There is a significant distinction between the two - 'equality before the law' is a basic human and civil right, 'equality supported by law' isn't. And before you go crying strawman, do your homework in what these concepts actually mean. The words "by the state of Netherlands" might not be explicitely stated, but clearly they are taken as implicit by the courts.

(November 20, 2012 at 8:00 am)Kousbroek Wrote: Now as to stay on topic a bit ...
We demand a rather high level of responsibility from our citizens especially when it comes to raising a child and if you don't meet those standards you'll either get help or will be held accountable.

Of course one has the option to raise their kids to become racist bigots, but if a child shows behavior like that in public you will be kicked out of parenthood before you can say creationists like bananas and i for one think that is a good thing.

Tell me, accountable by whom? What laws are there dictating 'how to raise children' and what are the guidelines and standards they set up? What's the penalty for not following the laws?

(November 20, 2012 at 1:19 pm)genkaus Wrote: Tell me. In Netherlands, can one

1) Have one's employer jailed for providing different salaries people in same position?

2) Have a prospective employer jailed for picking randomly between two equally qualified candidates?

3) Forcibly redistribute income from the rich to the poor in order to equalize the social status?

If you want me to have a serious discussion with you this is probably not the way to go about it, and where all these jailing this and jailing that comes from idk, your head i presume.
But to show you what i nice guy i am i'll answer your questions.

1) jailed no but fined most certainly yes.

2) non question, i'll ignore this one ..

3) That is what our government has been doing for ages, we even have a word for that, 'nivelleren'.

(November 20, 2012 at 1:19 pm)genkaus Wrote: Tell me, accountable by whom? What laws are there dictating 'how to raise children' and what are the guidelines and standards they set up? What's the penalty for not following the laws?

Way to much input to give a coherent answer, let me ask you something instead.
Do you think that in the country you live in that there are no laws and guidelines ?

(November 20, 2012 at 1:44 pm)Kousbroek Wrote: If you want me to have a serious discussion with you this is probably not the way to go about it, and where all these jailing this and jailing that comes from idk, your head i presume.
But to show you what i nice guy i am i'll answer your questions.

1) jailed no but fined most certainly yes.

2) non question, i'll ignore this one ..

3) That is what our government has been doing for ages, we even have a word for that, 'nivelleren'.

Wow! And I used to think Netherlands would be such a nice place to live. I'd be staying away from that place from now on.

(November 20, 2012 at 1:44 pm)Kousbroek Wrote: Way to much input to give a coherent answer, let me ask you something instead.
Do you think that in the country you live in that there are no laws and guidelines ?

Laws, yes. Guidelines, no. Laws to protect your rights and those of your children are there. And while there are "directives" regarding what you should do - those are non-enforceable.

(November 19, 2012 at 10:12 am)Shell B Wrote: By your logic, giving someone chocolates is love.

It isn't!hock:

(November 20, 2012 at 11:29 am)Shell B Wrote: Jesus Christ, Germans. You think you could scale down your monstrous replies and be more to the point?

No, but I can be precice and acurate!

If you choose to ignore a long but detailed explaination of arguments, your problem.

(November 20, 2012 at 2:12 pm)genkaus Wrote: Wow! And I used to think Netherlands would be such a nice place to live. I'd be staying away from that place from now on.

Overpopulated, overtaxed, very narrow minded in some ways, lousy weather most of the time, hey i never said it was heaven over here.

(November 20, 2012 at 5:29 pm)Kousbroek Wrote: Overpopulated, overtaxed, very narrow minded in some ways, lousy weather most of the time, hey i never said it was heaven over here.

An englishman's home from home (Dutch)

(November 20, 2012 at 5:25 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote: [quote='Shell B' pid='364720' dateline='1353425346']

No, but I can be precice and acurate!

If you choose to ignore a long but detailed explaination of arguments, your problem.

No, you can't. Have of what you post is irrelevant. About a quarter of it directly contradicts what you have already said. You could knock it down by at least that much. You're wasting people's time, as is the other dude who refuses to post evidence of his claims because it's too much work to back up what you are saying.

My conclusion: You're a couple of anti-theists who have an agenda to serve. You will not see the contradictions in your posts because they do not suit your agenda to discriminate against people of various faiths. It's not abuse. Go out and get abused for a bit, go get preached to and then come back and tell us how they are similar and do try to stay on topic.

(November 20, 2012 at 5:50 pm)Shell B Wrote: My conclusion: You're a couple of anti-theists who have an agenda to serve. You will not see the contradictions in your posts because they do not suit your agenda to discriminate against people of various faiths. It's not abuse. Go out and get abused for a bit, go get preached to and then come back and tell us how they are similar and do try to stay on topic.

Oh dear .. oh dear .. and i like to leave it at that.