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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 24, 2012 at 5:34 am
(November 24, 2012 at 2:16 am)catfish Wrote: (November 18, 2012 at 10:45 pm)Gooders1002 Wrote: I am not quite clear on your response so could you clear it up please, basically, do you personal believe those 9 points are true?
Example:
1. An all powerful being that can literally go anything.
'Yes I believe he is' or 'no I don't believe he is' .
just to clear everything up, and also why you believe or don't believe the point.
Holy shit dude. Do you not know what "agree" and "disagree" means? And WTF? I expounded on why I did or didn't believe your points.
Perhaps you should expound on why you think those points are believed??? Ok I will. I think those points are believed because that the message I am getting from Christians in the USA, most coming from Drich and GC but there are other people who say that. I am hoping there are Christians that totally don't believe or want to change my view on them. But as it stands this is what I believe most Christians in the USA believe, And I want you to challenge it and tell me if this view is accurate or have I gotten the wrong message.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Edward Gibbon (Offen misattributed to Lucius Annaeus Seneca or Seneca the Younger) (Thanks to apophenia for the correction)
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Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 25, 2012 at 1:27 am
(November 24, 2012 at 5:34 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: Ok I will. I think those points are believed because that the message I am getting from Christians in the USA, most coming from Drich and GC but there are other people who say that. I am hoping there are Christians that totally don't believe or want to change my view on them. But as it stands this is what I believe most Christians in the USA believe, And I want you to challenge it and tell me if this view is accurate or have I gotten the wrong message.
Therein lies your problem... You seem to only take what people tell you without doing your own research...
I am quite aware that "most" Christians think those points are true, but I'm not "most" Christians now, am I?
Screw what everyone else believes, make up your own mind...
Now, if you wish to debate those points as if they're true (or supposed to be true), bring me supporting evidence and be prepared to do your own legwork....
As an opener, I'll pick your #3:
"3. He only allows those who follow him without question to experience bliss and there rest get eternal punishment."
Here's a hint, figure out which Greek word was translated to "eternal" and tell me if you agree with the translation.
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 25, 2012 at 7:30 am
(November 25, 2012 at 1:27 am)catfish Wrote: Therein lies your problem... You seem to only take what people tell you without doing your own research...
I am quite aware that "most" Christians think those points are true, but I'm not "most" Christians now, am I?
Screw what everyone else believes, make up your own mind...
Now, if you wish to debate those points as if they're true (or supposed to be true), bring me supporting evidence and be prepared to do your own legwork....
As an opener, I'll pick your #3:
"3. He only allows those who follow him without question to experience bliss and there rest get eternal punishment."
Here's a hint, figure out which Greek word was translated to "eternal" and tell me if you agree with the translation. This has nothing to do with research, this is the impression I am getting from Xians, because I know there are xians who don't believe most of those points, I was seeing how many xians would say yes I believe the points or no I don't. I was seeing how sane religious people really are, and you sound sane enough.
"Religion is regarded by the common people as true, by the wise as false, and by the rulers as useful" - Edward Gibbon (Offen misattributed to Lucius Annaeus Seneca or Seneca the Younger) (Thanks to apophenia for the correction)
'I am driven by two main philosophies:
Know more about the world than I knew yesterday and lessen the suffering of others. You'd be surprised how far that gets you' - Neil deGrasse Tyson
"Sometimes I wonder whether the world is being run by smart people who are putting us on or by imbeciles who really mean it." - Mark Twain
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 25, 2012 at 4:14 pm
(November 25, 2012 at 7:30 am)Gooders1002 Wrote: This has nothing to do with research, this is the impression I am getting from Xians, because I know there are xians who don't believe most of those points, I was seeing how many xians would say yes I believe the points or no I don't. I was seeing how sane religious people really are, and you sound sane enough.
It has everything to do with research. You believe what people tell you, I get that. I however, do NOT believe everything I see and hear.
If you can't do your own research, then how do you know if the points are true or not??? Are you just trollin'?
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 25, 2012 at 6:14 pm
(This post was last modified: November 25, 2012 at 6:15 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Good for you, now if you'd just apply that same filter you've clearly used to separate the batshit claims of fundies you may start to wonder-why some of us wonder-why you swallowed the god pill to begin with? Better yet...if you were capable of communicating how you came to whatever conclusions you came to in a way that didn't fall to all the same axes.......
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 25, 2012 at 7:06 pm
(November 25, 2012 at 6:14 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Good for you, now if you'd just apply that same filter you've clearly used to separate the batshit claims of fundies you may start to wonder-why some of us wonder-why you swallowed the god pill to begin with? Better yet...if you were capable of communicating how you came to whatever conclusions you came to in a way that didn't fall to all the same axes.......
You really don't pay attention do you? That "god pill" was something I was born with and I recognised it when I was 4 years old. I've been battling "fundies" and others like you since the beginning. I have never fallen to "peer pressure" and I'm not about to start.
Keep your thoughts, beliefs and insults to yourself and you'll never have to worry about my beliefs...
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 25, 2012 at 7:47 pm
I was born with an umbilical cord, you don't see me schlepping that around 30 years later.....
Did you ever have a battle with your own inner fundy, the one who insists that there's some thing called a god to begin with? How'd you lose that one?
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 25, 2012 at 7:58 pm
I have never lost.. As is evident with your trollin ass...
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 25, 2012 at 8:01 pm
(This post was last modified: November 25, 2012 at 8:03 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
I was wondering, as per your comment before...if I didn't keep my "thoughts, beliefs and insults" to myself...would I then have to worry about your beliefs?
(you say the strangest things cat, and you have a habit of refusing to elaborate upon any of them)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: How Christians and there god sound to me.
November 25, 2012 at 8:10 pm
(This post was last modified: November 25, 2012 at 8:12 pm by catfish.)
Yes, I know... It's not about my thoughts and beliefs, it's about yours...
But to elaborate some more.. It's more about "other's" thoughts and beliefs and how you assimilate them as your own...
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