What constitutes this 'power' women should hold?

(November 14, 2012 at 8:56 am)Ben Davis Wrote: If that's your sincere view, I feel bad for your children (if you have any). Your impact as a father figure must be lack-lutre to say the least.
Any other dads want to trash this nonsense?

Sure, NP.

@DL I'm the primary caregiver for my children, and my wife and I enjoy a very rough sort of parity in earnings. I don't mind giving credit where credit is due, but mentioning that your idea of what credit is due doesn't apply to my household wont make me less of a Real Man™ any more than the amount of diapers I've changed or boo-boos I've kissed away would. I'm home more often -most of the year- then my wife, so it's a situation of convenience. We both bring home the bacon...and even though I bring home a little more bacon she brings home the health insurance. I take them to their doctors appointments but she's the one who schedules them (remembers when she's scheduled them...and makes sure I have all the paperwork I'm going to need before I even wake up.) She brews the coffee and I cook the pancakes. I balance the budget but she signs the checks. She handles the majority of the late night consoling and I handle the majority of the day to day corrective actions. We're both required to read an exorbitant amount of books every night at bedtime (sometimes I cheat..."Once upon a time...night night, the end). I sleep on the floor most of the time because there's no room in the bed...but she doesn't get much sleep because there's no room in the bed. She carries the children to term but without me she would not have the children she adores. I adore our children but without her I would have never had the opportunity to raise them (nor could I, left to my own resources...nor could she..left to hers). There is no decision we make that affects our family or our children in which either of our opinions over-rule the other. We are both equally available to our children -for whatever reason they need us to be-. When daddy's working mommy steps up. When Mommy's working daddy steps up. In fact, and I know that some may find this hard to believe, but my wife and I enjoy such overarching equality in every area of our relationship that the thought of bickering with each other or holding quiet grudges (even minor ones) is completely alien to both of us. How do I know this? Because we've both made it a point that we are absolutely enamored with the others voice and opinions.

Now, does this mean that my situation is "the norm". I wouldn't know. Maybe not, but that hardly matters. What is and what should be can often be entirely divergent. Do I think that people should enjoy a family dynamic like my own, sure. Would my wife be amenable to the idea of assuming a position of superiority over our household or relationship...I hardly think so. We both get to dodge the bullets we want to precisely because we treat each other as equals. Every one of the roles I've mentioned above have reversed multiple times in our years together...I expect they will continue to do so. Is my role a secondary one? No, there are no secondary roles in my family. If you feel that fathers role is secondary might I suggest that this has more to do with how you perceive your own role as a father...or your fathers role in your family? If this is the case, and you don't particularly care for that, then it's probably possible to change either of those things..assuming you still have a relationship with your children or father.

(an amusing aside, my wife's family is fiercely patriarchal and mine is fiercely matriarchal.....maybe we both ended up where we are by experience.....)

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I like to throw a bible verse at my aunt often that should she never question a man but just be quiet and listen. And she will do it because it's in the bible lol.

(November 15, 2012 at 5:27 am)Gilgamesh Wrote: What constitutes this 'power' women should hold?

Sanctity begins with parents caring for their children as a first priority. Then male to female as the next step in that line then women towards their husbands.

Women should hold the highest position as they care directly for the young and it is the duty of men to insure that that sanctity prevails.

Sanctity applies to atheists as well as non-atheists. All it is is showing a reverence for the ideals or status quo within our human systems.

The King should fight and die to maintain the highest family sanctity possible and so should all the men.

Regards
DL

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(November 15, 2012 at 12:45 pm)Rhythm Wrote:

(November 14, 2012 at 8:56 am)Ben Davis Wrote: If that's your sincere view, I feel bad for your children (if you have any). Your impact as a father figure must be lack-lutre to say the least.
Any other dads want to trash this nonsense?

Sure, NP.

@DL I'm the primary caregiver for my children, and my wife and I enjoy a very rough sort of parity in earnings. I don't mind giving credit where credit is due, but mentioning that your idea of what credit is due doesn't apply to my household wont make me less of a Real Man™ any more than the amount of diapers I've changed or boo-boos I've kissed away would. I'm home more often -most of the year- then my wife, so it's a situation of convenience. We both bring home the bacon...and even though I bring home a little more bacon she brings home the health insurance. I take them to their doctors appointments but she's the one who schedules them (remembers when she's scheduled them...and makes sure I have all the paperwork I'm going to need before I even wake up.) She brews the coffee and I cook the pancakes. I balance the budget but she signs the checks. She handles the majority of the late night consoling and I handle the majority of the day to day corrective actions. We're both required to read an exorbitant amount of books every night at bedtime (sometimes I cheat..."Once upon a time...night night, the end). I sleep on the floor most of the time because there's no room in the bed...but she doesn't get much sleep because there's no room in the bed. She carries the children to term but without me she would not have the children she adores. I adore our children but without her I would have never had the opportunity to raise them (nor could I, left to my own resources...nor could she..left to hers). There is no decision we make that affects our family or our children in which either of our opinions over-rule the other. We are both equally available to our children -for whatever reason they need us to be-. When daddy's working mommy steps up. When Mommy's working daddy steps up. In fact, and I know that some may find this hard to believe, but my wife and I enjoy such overarching equality in every area of our relationship that the thought of bickering with each other or holding quiet grudges (even minor ones) is completely alien to both of us. How do I know this? Because we've both made it a point that we are absolutely enamored with the others voice and opinions.

Now, does this mean that my situation is "the norm". I wouldn't know. Maybe not, but that hardly matters. What is and what should be can often be entirely divergent. Do I think that people should enjoy a family dynamic like my own, sure. Would my wife be amenable to the idea of assuming a position of superiority over our household or relationship...I hardly think so. We both get to dodge the bullets we want to precisely because we treat each other as equals. Every one of the roles I've mentioned above have reversed multiple times in our years together...I expect they will continue to do so. Is my role a secondary one? No, there are no secondary roles in my family. If you feel that fathers role is secondary might I suggest that this has more to do with how you perceive your own role as a father...or your fathers role in your family? If this is the case, and you don't particularly care for that, then it's probably possible to change either of those things..assuming you still have a relationship with your children or father.

(an amusing aside, my wife's family is fiercely patriarchal and mine is fiercely matriarchal.....maybe we both ended up where we are by experience.....)

We are all products of all we have learned from the environment we have been raised and live in.

I look at the numbers of deadbeat dads that I have met as compared to the numbers of women who have not shed their parental duties and are unwed mothers and if we are what we do, there is no argument that women are better at nurturing than men are. And yes, part of that opinion is from my own experience as a father of 4 boys.

I have also mentioned that I know some men who do better than their wives but they are the minority.

Regards
DL

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(November 16, 2012 at 4:57 pm)JohnDG Wrote: I like to throw a bible verse at my aunt often that should she never question a man but just be quiet and listen. And she will do it because it's in the bible lol.

You should not be too big of a dick with a woman who has been brainwashed into being what you can have fun with. Pity her. Do not abuse her. Try to cure her delusion instead.

Regards
DL

(November 25, 2012 at 8:14 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Women should hold the highest position as they care directly for the young and it is the duty of men to insure that that sanctity prevails.

Again, what constitutes this "highest position" you speak of?

(November 16, 2012 at 4:57 pm)JohnDG Wrote: I like to throw a bible verse at my aunt often that should she never question a man but just be quiet and listen. And she will do it because it's in the bible lol.

Quote:You should not be too big of a dick with a woman who has been brainwashed into being what you can have fun with. Pity her. Do not abuse her. Try to cure her delusion instead.

Regards
DL

I'm trying to show her why it's wrong by leaving it in the open and in her face. I agree it may be a little harsh, but she's family so I don't care if I'm hard on her a bit she will eventually get tired of me making her be quiet and thus refuse to follow a part of her religion.

(November 26, 2012 at 3:23 am)Gilgamesh Wrote:

(November 25, 2012 at 8:14 pm)Greatest I am Wrote: Women should hold the highest position as they care directly for the young and it is the duty of men to insure that that sanctity prevails.

Again, what constitutes this "highest position" you speak of?

http://blog.ted.com/2008/09/17/the_real_differ/

If the sanctity of humanity and family is the goal, then sacrifice must be done to it to insure longevity.

Do unto her what you would do for yourself. This would include your sacrifice of reciprocity.

It is to men to bend the knee to women. Love her not as you love yourself but more.

This is rather vague but men will know what to do if they are truly men.

Regards
DL

(November 30, 2012 at 7:13 am)Greatest I am Wrote: If the sanctity of humanity and family is the goal...

...then gender is irrelevant. Are men & women not both human? Is it not possible to have a family containing both genders?

Quote:Do unto her what you would do for yourself. This would include your sacrifice of reciprocity.

Same goes for women else we face double standards.

Quote:It is to men to bend the knee to women. Love her not as you love yourself but more.

This is rather vague but men will know what to do if they are truly men.

Oh fuck off.