(December 25, 2012 at 7:47 am)Brian37 Wrote: That is you. No one is forcing you to scream, and at the same time who the fuck knocked on your door? No one forced you to read or respond to this post. And my understanding is that this website has an ignore option.

AND it still does not change the FACT that far too much gun death happens in this country. And I DO think the parents of those poor school children, or the firemen and ALL the types of gun death, suicide, and domestic murder and gang violence, WOULD WANT MORE PEOPLE SCREAMING!

So if you don't like what I am posting, DONT RESPOND. But do not presume to tell me what I can or cannot bitch about when you have the option of not responding and are not being forced to respond.

The amount of gun death is totally unacceptable in this country. I am tired of the excuses and the bullshit.

Dont tell me to not respond you megalomeniac freak, and finaly respond to the facts I have posted! I have defended the right to bare arms on the basis of homicide statistics!

You! Have provided nothing else but your pathetic whining about how this matters and has to be regurgetated over and over and over again.

Thereby willfully ignoring the statistics I posted to back up my position and not even delivering a counter argument.

Stop fucking whining, pull yourself the fuck together and stop ignoring reality when it`s ways run contary to your political principles.

Even the most beautifully sounding idea and concept isnt worth the paper it`s writen on, if it does not apply or work within the releams of realty!

And here`s the statistic again, and if you ignore it I will rub it under your face after every post you make.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...icide_rate

(December 25, 2012 at 11:36 am)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote:

(December 25, 2012 at 7:47 am)Brian37 Wrote: That is you. No one is forcing you to scream, and at the same time who the fuck knocked on your door? No one forced you to read or respond to this post. And my understanding is that this website has an ignore option.

AND it still does not change the FACT that far too much gun death happens in this country. And I DO think the parents of those poor school children, or the firemen and ALL the types of gun death, suicide, and domestic murder and gang violence, WOULD WANT MORE PEOPLE SCREAMING!

So if you don't like what I am posting, DONT RESPOND. But do not presume to tell me what I can or cannot bitch about when you have the option of not responding and are not being forced to respond.

The amount of gun death is totally unacceptable in this country. I am tired of the excuses and the bullshit.

Dont tell me to not respond you megalomeniac freak, and finaly respond to the facts I have posted! I have defended the right to bare arms on the basis of homicide statistics!

You! Have provided nothing else but your pathetic whining about how this matters and has to be regurgetated over and over and over again.

Thereby willfully ignoring the statistics I posted to back up my position and not even delivering a counter argument.

Stop fucking whining, pull yourself the fuck together and stop ignoring reality when it`s ways run contary to your political principles.

Even the most beautifully sounding idea and concept isnt worth the paper it`s writen on, if it does not apply or work within the releams of realty!

And here`s the statistic again, and if you ignore it I will rub it under your face after every post you make.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...icide_rate

YOU POSTED THE FUCKING STATS ASSHOLE, YOU ARE THE ONE IN DENIAL


LOOK AT IT AGAIN FUCKWAD, THE GLOBAL MAP shows us lower, and DUH no shit. You want that to be the excuse to do nothing and become like the other ones with the higher rates?

You "Our numbers are lower". Yea so lets not do jack shit so we can be exactly as insane as the deeper blue more violent countries. It would absolutely suck if we had a non existent rate like Japan, wouldn't it? But then if we did that the gun manufacturers wouldn't be able to expand their market would they?

That is the same bullshit tactic the top 1% use on the middle class and working poor, "Our poor are better off than their poor". Yea, so? We should use that as an excuse to not to improve and let things get worse?

You want to say that people like me are making a mountain out of a molehill, and again 2O kids are dead and I don't think their parents think it is not a big deal. I dare you to take this chart to them and tell them they are over reacting.

You "Other people speed too and more than I do" Pathetic.

Ahh, the Christmas cheer in this thread is so delightful.

(December 25, 2012 at 4:29 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Ahh, the Christmas cheer in this thread is so delightful.

This is atheist forums, am I in the right place?

(December 25, 2012 at 4:29 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: Ahh, the Christmas cheer in this thread is so delightful.

Yea, I am sure Trevon's parents are feeling the "cheer", and the parents of the dead teen who played his music too loud is feeling the "cheer" and the family of the firefighters are feeling the "cheer" and the parents of the dead kids are feeling the "cheer".

Who cares as long as the gun nutters can fill their stockings with products of death.

Deck the halls with lots of bloodshed
Fa la la la la la la la la
Who gives a fuck who gets dead
Fa la la la la la la la la

Don we now our guns and large clips
Fa la la la la la la la la
Huge profits of of misery
Fa la la la la la la la la

I need a Bushmaster
And a glock
Fa la la la la la la la la

If you try to regulate it
You can suck my big fat cock
Fa la la la la la la la la

I don't care who ends up dead
Fa la la la la la la la la
(end)

Yea, guns bring sooooooo much holiday cheer.

See this is merely another subtle attempt to say "Now is not the right time", but the gun nutters always say it is never the right time.

And the kicker is I'm NOT for an outright ban, but our CLIMATE you cannot tell me is full of people who want to make things better. Lower the number of gun deaths, thats how these "responsible" nutters can prove it, but in lew of their continued inaction, I think a different mentality and leadership is in order.

NOW is not the time to forget. Now is the time to remember. If it was your family member I doubt you would want them to die via a gun FOR ANY REASON and then have to spend a holiday without them.

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(December 24, 2012 at 1:00 pm)Rhythm Wrote: Well Min, one "just like me" doesn't do this shit. The kind of asshat that opens up on firemen is entirely unlike me, and entirely unlike the crushing majority of gun owners.

I'm personally sick of gun nut assholes myself, as sick of them as I am of anti-gun assholes. What can I say, habitual moderate.

Fine but I see no "moderation" on the gun nutters part, because gun death since I was a kid has gone up, NOT DOWN. Their idea of "moderation" is to do what they want. I don't see that working.

They live in a bubble and use the same tired arguments of "I didn't do it", failing to see that they ALSO didn't do anything to REDUCE it. Which means they care more about themselves than the climate of the society they live in.

(December 25, 2012 at 4:10 pm)Brian37 Wrote: YOU POSTED THE FUCKING STATS ASSHOLE, YOU ARE THE ONE IN DENIAL


LOOK AT IT AGAIN FUCKWAD, THE GLOBAL MAP shows us lower, and DUH no shit. You want that to be the excuse to do nothing and become like the other ones with the higher rates?

you dumb ass! If you would look at the statistics you would notice that the US is very average within the western world.

Out of which one can clearly underline that:

lack of gun control is not the main reason for crime.

poverty, drug trafficing, ethnical conflict and political conflict are.

Quote:You "Our numbers are lower". Yea so lets not do jack shit so we can be exactly as insane as the deeper blue more violent countries. It would absolutely suck if we had a non existent rate like Japan, wouldn't it? But then if we did that the gun manufacturers wouldn't be able to expand their market would they?

Strawman! I never defended the gun manufacturers, so shove your strawman up your ass.

Japan also has a very low poverty rate and no political and ethnical conflict within it`s borders. One may also note, that Japan has the 7th highest suicide rate in the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_cou...icide_rate

If you use a statistic to prove your point. You also have to confront yourself with the gun regulations and homicide rates of other countries!

1:
The American homicide rate is at best average when compared to the rest of the western and entire world and certainly not higher!

2:
To understand that, you must understand that the US has a higher population than most other countries and therefor simply counting the murders wont bring you any far.
If you do so, the nation with the most murderes wouldnt even be the US since the list looks like this:

number 10: Russia with 14574 homicides
number 9: Colombia with 14764 homicides
number 8: USA with 14748 homicides
number 7: South Africa with 15940 homicides
number 6: Nigeria with 18422 homicides
number 5: Indonesia with 18963 homicides
number 4: Etheopia with 20239 homicides
number 3: Mexico with 27199 homicides
number 2: Brazil with 40974 homicides
number 1: India with 42923 homicides

Out of which even a 12 year old child can grasp the concept that the number of homicides within the US apears to be so high because it`s population is so big.

since when looking at a statistic which shows the countries with the highest homicide rate, things look very different:

http://www.businessinsider.com/1homicida...11-11?op=1

3:
When accounting for a reason for the number of homicides, one has to account for all social factors which play a role in these events.
Including poverty, social conflict, ethnical conflict and others.

4:
When saying that homicides are so high within the US because of it`s gun regulation, you will have to compare it wwith other nations which have low gun regulations.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/news/datablog/...world-list

Which clearly shows that low gun regulation is not the main reason for crime!!!

Quote:That is the same bullshit tactic the top 1% use on the middle class and working poor, "Our poor are better off than their poor". Yea, so? We should use that as an excuse to not to improve and let things get worse?

And you may shove that strawman up your ass aswell!

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"top 1%"???????? Yeah I am sure these people are just one monolythic block who act as non individuals and who all have the same goals

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And how the fuck do you bring this point in here anyway!!! What do wealthy people have to do with the crime statistics, or better put: How do they intentionaly worsen the gun statistics?

Are you a conspiracy nut?

I never argued that things shouldn`t be done to improve things.
I pointed out that by simply stricktening the gun regulations one does not tackle the problem.

Quote:You want to say that people like me are making a mountain out of a molehill,

Yes! because the homicide statistics from the US are at best average, and the solution of the crime problem you suggest is nonsence!

Quote:and again 2O kids are dead and I don't think their parents think it is not a big deal. I dare you to take this chart to them and tell them they are over reacting.

I never said that it was "no big deal" you lieing piece of stinking shit!
Fuck you!

I merely underlined that strickter gun regulation is not the solution!

We had 4 highschool massacres in Germany in the past 10 years.
And they all happened with legaly aquired weapons which the kids stole from their legal source.

The thing to advocate is responsible use and to prevent that guns fall in the arms of irresponsible users.

Which is the only point I critisis and have critisised before!

The US needs to interduce psychological tests and better background checks to assure that irresponsible people dont gain access to firearms.

Quote:You "Other people speed too and more than I do" Pathetic.

Eighter a strawman, or you are simply to dumb to understand the contents of what I am writing.

eigther way, fuck you!

Quote:lack of gun control is not the main reason for crime.

poverty, drug trafficing, ethnical conflict and political conflict are.

Well, the last part we DO agree, but that does not change that guns are weapons and people DO use them to kill.

But again, THIS STUPID ATTITUDE is exactly what the gun manufacturers want to use to instill fear to maintain the climate that produces the negative things we all know ARE causing the climate that make gun use more active.

Your bullshit is exactly WHY the status quo is being maintained.

IT IS A MONEY ISSUE, and gun manufacturer's have no fucking interest in creating mental, social, or economic stability. More crime and more fear means they can keep their market and expand their market. So when say the "Bushmaster" company CEO votes, they don't just vote for "gun rights", they vote against any policies that might reduce stress, depression, domestic abuse, street violence. Keep the fear keep the crime, and gun sales go up.

YOU play right into these monopolists hands by saying "guns are not the problem". YES THEY ARE, they are the prop in the bullies hands that allow the bully to maintain their monopoly. YOU allow them to set the tone of the conversation.

And please spare me you went from "It aint so bad here" to "We are average" still does not make the number of gun deaths acceptable. Again, tell that to the Fire fighters. Tell that to Trevon Martin, tell that to the families of Sandy Hook. Tell that to ANY person who has a family member affected by a gun assault or gun death.

32 A DAY is average? I DON'T FUCKING CARE. We are NOT nor should we behave like a third world country.

(December 26, 2012 at 10:22 am)Brian37 Wrote: Well, the last part we DO agree, but that does not change that guns are weapons and people DO use them to kill.

are you that thick?

I showed that the homicide statistics whithin the US is avergage when compared with other western nations and in some cases even lower (France has a higher homicide statistic)
And you then keep whineing along
"guns are bad, because I say so, I dont need statistics and ignore others, I build up my own interpertation of reality and I dont care if that interpretation is disproven"

When homicide statistics are the same or higher in nations with strickter firearm regulation - this means clearly that the pupertrators in such crimes resort to using other weapons.
Those who want to commit a crime will find methods to do so!

Quote:But again, THIS STUPID ATTITUDE is exactly what the gun manufacturers want to use to instill fear to maintain the climate that produces the negative things we all know ARE causing the climate that make gun use more active.

And another conspiracy.

Unless you can back it up with facts!

Quote:Your bullshit is exactly WHY the status quo is being maintained.

What bullshit? That I defend the American right to bare arms on the basisi that statistics show that they dont have the influence on the homicide rate which you prophecise and lie arround with?

The only thing I critisised was that guns shouldnt be selled to irresponsible users and that backgroundchecks should be required.

Quote:IT IS A MONEY ISSUE, and gun manufacturer's have no fucking interest in creating mental, social, or economic stability. More crime and more fear means they can keep their market and expand their market. So when say the "Bushmaster" company CEO votes, they don't just vote for "gun rights", they vote against any policies that might reduce stress, depression, domestic abuse, street violence. Keep the fear keep the crime, and gun sales go up.

another conspiracy.

It is not a money issue and even if it were, I dont see what is wrong with making profit by selling firearms to responsible users.

Where can people actualy vote against policies that prohibit domestic peace and which increases social peace?

Alot of liberterians vote against such bills because they would be funded with taxmoney which contradicts their political ideology.

You simply lied by talking about statistics which didn`t exist, and when the actual statistics were provided and disproved your possition - you simply regressed into using this weird conspiracy.

Quote:YOU play right into these monopolists hands by saying "guns are not the problem". YES THEY ARE, they are the prop in the bullies hands that allow the bully to maintain their monopoly. YOU allow them to set the tone of the conversation.

where the fuck are the monopolists? The arms market is filled with competition! There are hundreds, if not thousands of arms manufactors in the US and even abroad who sell in the US.

The bullies hands? wtf!!!

Conspiracy! Nothing more to say.
It fits into every single aspect of how a nutter thinks.
You propose that there is a conspiracy to keep something in place out there without providing evidence, and then you acuse everyone who oposes your position to be part of that conspiracy or to act unwillingly in it`s support.

Quote:And please spare me you went from "It aint so bad here" to "We are average" still does not make the number of gun deaths acceptable. Again, tell that to the Fire fighters. Tell that to Trevon Martin, tell that to the families of Sandy Hook. Tell that to ANY person who has a family member affected by a gun assault or gun death.

Tell my ass!

You are using tragedy for your delusions. You are a vulture!

These redicilous appeals to emotion have no place in a debate surrounding social politics. Only cold logic has.

Do you know that in France people can legally purchase and own fully automatic assault rifles after going through background check an psychological tests? Yes the kind of rifle which is forbidden to be owned in the US. And jet, the French aren`t whining, even after the terror attack on a jewish school in Touluse last year.
That`s because decisions on such subjects are made on the basis of rational inquiry and the conclusions drawn out of such, and not out of hysteric emotional reactions.

Quote:32 A DAY is average? I DON'T FUCKING CARE. We are NOT nor should we behave like a third world country.

I am going to explain this now as if you were a little kid. Most people are not in the need of such, but since you are so "special" I will do it.

Dear little Brian.

Let`s have some "fun" with numbers shall we?

In the United states, 300 000 000 people live.

In Germany 80 000 000 people live.

In average, a person farts 14 times a day.

Which means that in average there are 4 200 000 000 farts in the US in one day.

In Germany there are 1 200 000 000 farts a day.

This doesn`t mean that the US is a country in which people fart more ofter!

Because in the US there are more people, hence more farts.

(December 26, 2012 at 12:00 pm)The_Germans_are_coming Wrote:

(December 26, 2012 at 10:22 am)Brian37 Wrote: Well, the last part we DO agree, but that does not change that guns are weapons and people DO use them to kill.

are you that thick?

I showed that the homicide statistics whithin the US is avergage when compared with other western nations and in some cases even lower (France has a higher homicide statistic)
And you then keep whineing along
"guns are bad, because I say so, I dont need statistics and ignore others, I build up my own interpertation of reality and I dont care if that interpretation is disproven"

When homicide statistics are the same or higher in nations with strickter firearm regulation - this means clearly that the pupertrators in such crimes resort to using other weapons.
Those who want to commit a crime will find methods to do so!

Quote:But again, THIS STUPID ATTITUDE is exactly what the gun manufacturers want to use to instill fear to maintain the climate that produces the negative things we all know ARE causing the climate that make gun use more active.

And another conspiracy.

Unless you can back it up with facts!

Quote:Your bullshit is exactly WHY the status quo is being maintained.

What bullshit? That I defend the American right to bare arms on the basisi that statistics show that they dont have the influence on the homicide rate which you prophecise and lie arround with?

The only thing I critisised was that guns shouldnt be selled to irresponsible users and that backgroundchecks should be required.

Quote:IT IS A MONEY ISSUE, and gun manufacturer's have no fucking interest in creating mental, social, or economic stability. More crime and more fear means they can keep their market and expand their market. So when say the "Bushmaster" company CEO votes, they don't just vote for "gun rights", they vote against any policies that might reduce stress, depression, domestic abuse, street violence. Keep the fear keep the crime, and gun sales go up.

another conspiracy.

It is not a money issue and even if it were, I dont see what is wrong with making profit by selling firearms to responsible users.

Where can people actualy vote against policies that prohibit domestic peace and which increases social peace?

Alot of liberterians vote against such bills because they would be funded with taxmoney which contradicts their political ideology.

You simply lied by talking about statistics which didn`t exist, and when the actual statistics were provided and disproved your possition - you simply regressed into using this weird conspiracy.

Quote:YOU play right into these monopolists hands by saying "guns are not the problem". YES THEY ARE, they are the prop in the bullies hands that allow the bully to maintain their monopoly. YOU allow them to set the tone of the conversation.

where the fuck are the monopolists? The arms market is filled with competition! There are hundreds, if not thousands of arms manufactors in the US and even abroad who sell in the US.

The bullies hands? wtf!!!

Conspiracy! Nothing more to say.
It fits into every single aspect of how a nutter thinks.
You propose that there is a conspiracy to keep something in place out there without providing evidence, and then you acuse everyone who oposes your position to be part of that conspiracy or to act unwillingly in it`s support.

Quote:And please spare me you went from "It aint so bad here" to "We are average" still does not make the number of gun deaths acceptable. Again, tell that to the Fire fighters. Tell that to Trevon Martin, tell that to the families of Sandy Hook. Tell that to ANY person who has a family member affected by a gun assault or gun death.

Tell my ass!

You are using tragedy for your delusions. You are a vulture!

These redicilous appeals to emotion have no place in a debate surrounding social politics. Only cold logic has.

Do you know that in France people can legally purchase and own fully automatic assault rifles after going through background check an psychological tests? Yes the kind of rifle which is forbidden to be owned in the US. And jet, the French aren`t whining, even after the terror attack on a jewish school in Touluse last year.
That`s because decisions on such subjects are made on the basis of rational inquiry and the conclusions drawn out of such, and not out of hysteric emotional reactions.

Quote:32 A DAY is average? I DON'T FUCKING CARE. We are NOT nor should we behave like a third world country.

I am going to explain this now as if you were a little kid. Most people are not in the need of such, but since you are so "special" I will do it.

Dear little Brian.

Let`s have some "fun" with numbers shall we?

In the United states, 300 000 000 people live.

In Germany 80 000 000 people live.

In average, a person farts 14 times a day.

Which means that in average there are 4 200 000 000 farts in the US in one day.

In Germany there are 1 200 000 000 farts a day.

This doesn`t mean that the US is a country in which people fart more ofter!

Because in the US there are more people, hence more farts.

Holly shit, thank you for POINTING OUT THE FUCKING OBVIOUS!

Evolution outside the issue of humans, is ALSO a FUCKING RATIO. So? More people more crime, NO SHIT!

But that doesn't mean you don't try to reduce it fuckwad.

Japan has basically half of America's population WITHOUT the same landspace, and I can tell you that entire island is mostly city and very little suburb. Cram 150,000,000 into a city the size of California, AND THEY STILL HAVE RATIO WISE A GAP IN GUN DEATH NOWHERE CLOSE TO THE U.S. Tokyo is one of the safest cities in the world to live in. How is it they can cram that many people into large dense populations and STILL have less crime?

Care to explain that dipshit!

More people more farts? That's the best you got?

(December 26, 2012 at 12:11 pm)Brian37 Wrote: But that doesn't mean you don't try to reduce it fuckwad.

Do you actualy read my posts before you post your worthless rubbish?

I never stated that nothing should be done, I stated that taking away firearms from privat ownership one doesn`t make the situation any better!!!!


Care to read you total waste of organs!

Quote:Japan has basically half of America's population WITHOUT the same landspace, and I can tell you that entire island is mostly city and very little suburb. Cram 150,000,000 into a city the size of California, AND THEY STILL HAVE RATIO WISE A GAP IN GUN DEATH NOWHERE CLOSE TO THE U.S. Tokyo is one of the safest cities in the world to live in. How is it they can cram that many people into large dense populations and STILL have less crime?

Care to explain that dipshit!

Japan has low poverty, no big ethnical conflic with miorities, and no internal political conflicts aswell.

I gave you the example of France in the last post.
Belgium and Swizerland also have low gun regulations, with about the same average crime rate as the US.

Care to explain something yourself you worthless moron!

Quote:More people more farts? That's the best you got?

So you still dont understand the concept behind a "rate"???????????

I give up on trying to explaining it to you.

You are clearly stupid.