(January 2, 2013 at 8:26 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote:

(January 2, 2013 at 8:03 pm)pocaracas Wrote: We all know what your position is... we just don't acknowledge it as representative of reality.
You do claim that your theist position is representative of reality, do you not?

I make the same claims as you but if at the end I die and you are correct ; I may have lost a small amount in the time I lived do to the mistake. But if i'm correct then what? yes its pascals wager but i'm not talking proofs or even a good reason for considering Theism. Just a little poke to make you think.

When you die do you wish that it is the end?

You think you are the first to defend the garbage known as Pascal's Wager?

And as far as wishing it was the end, that is a stupid childish appeal to emotion.

It does not matter what we want, the ride ends. It ends for all of us. We can seek to extend it, but it does not last forever. You want to replace reality with a childish mother's infinite nipple that does not, and never will exist.

And the thought of existing forever, besides being selfish and self centered, seems completely boring to me. I was youthful at one time, but after a period of time I grew up and now know what I want and go through in life is not special. We all fart, shit, pee and will die. No myth will stop this no matter who invents a new one or how much people want to believe bullshit.

(January 2, 2013 at 8:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote:

(January 2, 2013 at 8:26 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: I make the same claims as you but if at the end I die and you are correct ; I may have lost a small amount in the time I lived do to the mistake. But if i'm correct then what? yes its pascals wager but i'm not talking proofs or even a good reason for considering Theism. Just a little poke to make you think.

When you die do you wish that it is the end?

You think you are the first to defend the garbage known as Pascal's Wager?

And as far as wishing it was the end, that is a stupid childish appeal to emotion.

It does not matter what we want, the ride ends. It ends for all of us. We can seek to extend it, but it does not last forever. You want to replace reality with a childish mother's infinite nipple that does not, and never will exist.

And the thought of existing forever, besides being selfish and self centered, seems completely boring to me. I was youthful at one time, but after a period of time I grew up and now know what I want and go through in life is not special. We all fart, shit, pee and will die. No myth will stop this no matter who invents a new one or how much people want to believe bullshit.

again can't answer a simple question which has no strings attached and more of the usual rambling.. here's another of those LAST WORD cards for you. remember don't look on the other side.

Mark 13:13 Wrote:When you die do you wish that it is the end?

Our desires don't define reality.

(January 2, 2013 at 9:24 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:

Mark 13:13 Wrote:When you die do you wish that it is the end?

Our desires don't define reality.

absolutely true. I wish I hadn't asked that question in this thread but started another instead. Because then it would be fair for me to say you haven't answered the question as its gone completely of the topic. and its my fault for being drawn of the topic through other posters responses and me responding. So I'm gonna drop it for now and start a new thread soon instead. Hope your ok with that.

(January 2, 2013 at 9:00 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote:

(January 2, 2013 at 8:50 pm)Brian37 Wrote: You think you are the first to defend the garbage known as Pascal's Wager?

And as far as wishing it was the end, that is a stupid childish appeal to emotion.

It does not matter what we want, the ride ends. It ends for all of us. We can seek to extend it, but it does not last forever. You want to replace reality with a childish mother's infinite nipple that does not, and never will exist.

And the thought of existing forever, besides being selfish and self centered, seems completely boring to me. I was youthful at one time, but after a period of time I grew up and now know what I want and go through in life is not special. We all fart, shit, pee and will die. No myth will stop this no matter who invents a new one or how much people want to believe bullshit.

again can't answer a simple question which has no strings attached and more of the usual rambling.. here's another of those LAST WORD cards for you. remember don't look on the other side.

"Last Word" is that a hollow veiled threat from your fictional super hero who wasn't around 4 billion years ago, and after our species goes extinct and the planet as well billions of years in the future will have the same fame as oblivion?

Yea yea yea, your trash talk is as meaningful as all the other trash talk of claimants of other gods you don't believe in. Take a number.

(January 2, 2013 at 9:33 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote:

(January 2, 2013 at 9:24 pm)FallentoReason Wrote: Our desires don't define reality.

absolutely true. I wish I hadn't asked that question in this thread but started another instead. Because then it would be fair for me to say you haven't answered the question as its gone completely of the topic. and its my fault for being drawn of the topic through other posters responses and me responding. So I'm gonna drop it for now and start a new thread soon instead. Hope your ok with that.

That's ok with me. As long as you sincerely believe to be posting stuff that is rational and reasoned, then I'm willing to listen. If what I responded to came out wrong and you meant something else, then I understand that too.

(January 2, 2013 at 8:26 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote:

(January 2, 2013 at 8:03 pm)pocaracas Wrote: We all know what your position is... we just don't acknowledge it as representative of reality.
You do claim that your theist position is representative of reality, do you not?

I make the same claims as you but if at the end I die and you are correct ; I may have lost a small amount in the time I lived do to the mistake. But if i'm correct then what? yes its pascals wager but i'm not talking proofs or even a good reason for considering Theism. Just a little poke to make you think.

When you die do you wish that it is the end?

I would like to keep on living, if my health allows it.
If my health doesn't allow it, I die and become dead meat.
The world will go on with out me, so I wouldn't call it "the end", but it will be my "game over".

Do you wish that your death is not your "game over"? I'm sure lots of people have wished that, but I fail to acknowledge any that has passed on to us the information of their continued playing.

(January 3, 2013 at 11:03 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(January 2, 2013 at 8:26 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: I make the same claims as you but if at the end I die and you are correct ; I may have lost a small amount in the time I lived do to the mistake. But if i'm correct then what? yes its pascals wager but i'm not talking proofs or even a good reason for considering Theism. Just a little poke to make you think.

When you die do you wish that it is the end?

I would like to keep on living, if my health allows it.
If my health doesn't allow it, I die and become dead meat.
The world will go on with out me, so I wouldn't call it "the end", but it will be my "game over".

Do you wish that your death is not your "game over"? I'm sure lots of people have wished that, but I fail to acknowledge any that has passed on to us the information of their continued playing.

In truth I would find the Idea that death was the ultimate end comforting at one level in that I would never be accountable beyond my life for what I have done during it but at another level I would find the idea that life is a pointless accident and in the great scheme of things irrelevant no mater what we do as individuals or as a society unpallitable too. So on balance I would wish for life after death regardless of what that experience brings.

(January 3, 2013 at 11:42 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote: I would find the idea that life is a pointless accident and in the great scheme of things irrelevant no mater what we do as individuals or as a society unpallitable too. So on balance I would wish for life after death regardless of what that experience brings.

pointless?
Do you not enjoy life? What more do you want out of life than what you already have? (better politicians and state economy are impossible!)

accident?
Did your parents not nurture you? Did they not want you?
Did you come to be by accident?

irrelevant?
Yes, each of us is a tiny speck on a rock which itself is a tiny speck... On the other hand, no matter how well you wash, you will always carry on your skin more bacteria than there are humans on Earth! You are composed of an astronomical amount of cells, which are composed of an astronomical amount of elements like carbon and oxygen. So you are insignificant on one scale and very significant on another... Why do you chose to look only at one of the sides?

ah, "the great scheme of things"... who says there's a scheme? Things are just the way they are...

1complete trust or confidence in someone or something:

2belief in the doctrines of a religion, based on spiritual conviction rather than proof:

This is the oxford dictionary definition of faith. The second does not apply to atheism obviously.
The first one could apply to somone who has complete confidence in the concept of there being no god. But then this would directly contradict the second definition.
I dont see what the big deal is myself about this argument, i personally as an atheist dont have faith there 100 percent is no god, but the evidence points towards all the religions that say there is a god being wrong. But i can see that some atheists might have complete trust and confidence there is no god, im sure thats possible.