It is a diverse religion, just like every other one.
There are Sunis, Shias and those who are mainly from Oman (of which I currently dont know the name)

Within those 3 parts there are also various different ways of worship. Such as Sufis and Salafists within Suni islam.

What my opinion on it is?
Well I reject to believe in it, thats why I am an atheist.
Other than that, I opose the notion that Islam is especialy violent ore more violent than other religions.
But I do believe that the Islamic world is currently going through a cultural conflict in which especialy salafist fundamentalism has tried to build up an unquestionable position of power since the 1970s.

I dont think I have such a thing as one general opinion on all of islam, I am a person who likes details and makes up his opinion to these smal details.
You would have to ask me my opinion on specific parts of islam or the islamic world.

Willkommen im Forum.

Islam, the religion of peace.....



Not......


You are 17 hey?

Living in a strongly Muslim country are you?

If not, go and do so for a couple of years ( I would suggest Saudi Arabia or Afganistan). Then come back and tell us what you think.

For the reality of Islam is a long way from the ideal you seem to think it is child.

(January 3, 2013 at 8:44 am)Aractus Wrote: - in what reality is it ever okay for a husband to force his wife to have sex with him??

In the muslim "reality" donchaknow

(January 3, 2013 at 12:43 am)DeistPaladin Wrote:

(January 2, 2013 at 7:36 pm)ThatMuslimGuy Wrote: I understand your viewpoint but i would argue they are completely different. Different concept and natures of god.

Well then, let's review my list of traits then and see how both measure up:

1. Deity is based on god of Abraham.
2. ...who wants worship of mortals and who listens to prayers.
3. Afterlife promises judgment with two fates: Heaven and Hell.
4. Faith-based scheme of salvation.
5. Has sacred book of revelation.
6. Greatest moral concerns: Blasphemy, apostasy, idolatry, homosexuality, consensual-but-unmarried sex.
7. Served by angels.
8. Reigns in Heaven.
9. Opposed by the Devil.
10. Tries to keep women in submission.
11. Claims to be loving and merciful yet seems to inspire fear in followers.
12. Religion features iconic figure, Jesus, who came into this world by a virgin woman and left it by flying up into the sky to be in Heaven.
13. Had prophets named in the OT.
14. Created Adam and Eve as first humans (precludes teaching of evolution by those who take a literal view of scripture).
15. Preaches peace with memorable quotes like "Turn the other cheek", "Love thy neighbor" or "Do not strike first for Allah does not like aggression"
16. Has inspired "holy wars" throughout history (crusade/jihad). The word for it is different but the outcome seems to be the same.

Please correct me if I'm wrong but I'm running down the list saying, "check, check, check, check, check..."

1. Deity is based on god of Abraham. I would aggree
2. ...who wants worship of mortals and who listens to prayers. Would agree
3. Afterlife promises judgment with two fates: Heaven and Hell. Would agree
4. Faith-based scheme of salvation. Would agree
5. Has sacred book of revelation. Would agree
6. Greatest moral concerns: Blasphemy, apostasy, idolatry, homosexuality, consensual-but-unmarried sex. I would personally question the blasphemy and apostosy.
7. Served by angels. Would agree
8. Reigns in Heaven. Would agree
9. Opposed by the Devil. Would agree
10. Tries to keep women in submission. Would 100% disagree
11. Claims to be loving and merciful yet seems to inspire fear in followers. Would 100% disagree
12. Religion features iconic figure, Jesus, who came into this world by a virgin woman and left it by flying up into the sky to be in Heaven. Would agree
13. Had prophets named in the OT. Would agree
14. Created Adam and Eve as first humans (precludes teaching of evolution by those who take a literal view of scripture). Would agree
15. Preaches peace with memorable quotes like "Turn the other cheek", "Love thy neighbor" or "Do not strike first for Allah does not like aggression" Would agree
16. Has inspired "holy wars" throughout history (crusade/jihad). The word for it is different but the outcome seems to be the same. Would question what Jihad who are refering to. As Jihad doesnt mean holy war but Struggle.

From my viewpoint the differences were.
Christianity has the concept of the trinity.
Islam opposes this.
The bible has many questioning stories where god orders massacres and prophets do unprophet like things e.g. lot has sex with his daughters. These things which make you question the nature of god.

In islam these unprophet like things dont exist and the concept of the divinity doesnt contradict itself within the scipture.

Yeah there are lots similarities but i personally feel much difference in the nature of god and the concept (e.g. the trinity vs Tawheed)

(January 3, 2013 at 9:18 am)Zen Badger Wrote:

(January 3, 2013 at 8:44 am)Aractus Wrote: - in what reality is it ever okay for a husband to force his wife to have sex with him??

In the muslim "reality" donchaknow

Also don't forget "some" christian sects as well.... (wouldn't want to leave them out now would we?)

I like the way that when confronted with the revolting acts carried out daily by muslims around the the world he says "oh, but that's not what islam is"

Well there are millions of muslims that disagree with you pal.

So instead of wasting your time on an atheist forums where no-one gives a rats arse about what you believe, why don't you trot off and tell your fellow muslims where they're going wrong.

And good luck with that lad, I doubt you'll make it to 18.

I like to view it from afar.

(January 3, 2013 at 9:41 am)Zen Badger Wrote: I like the way that when confronted with the revolting acts carried out daily by muslims around the the world he says "oh, but that's not what islam is"

Well there are millions of muslims that disagree with you pal.

So instead of wasting your time on an atheist forums where no-one gives a rats arse about what you believe, why don't you trot off and tell your fellow muslims where they're going wrong.

And good luck with that lad, I doubt you'll make it to 18.

Ok. Bit aggressive only wanted to know your opinions. I'm only replying to these horrific situation from what is taught in the Qur'an and the Sahih Hadith. Not what people teach. So i do think i can say that's not what islam is if the actions have no islamic basis and are only actions of humans.