(January 5, 2013 at 9:03 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote:

(January 5, 2013 at 5:39 am)FallentoReason Wrote: If there was objective morality and it was apart from God (i.e. God commands something because it is good) then why do we need God? Would you be able to live with that thought crawling in the back of your head?

That's why the arguement although interesting from the point of where philosophicaly of how right or wrong (in my opinion but then i'm late into this field os maybe its already been thrashed out to a conclusion before )exists within an Athiest framework its never any real use in a God/no God debate.

Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean. Could you please rephrase or elaborate on your point?

You like cheese on apple pie? Eewwww.... you just lost like all my respect for you in there, Toph

(January 5, 2013 at 3:40 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: You like cheese on apple pie? Eewwww.... you just lost like all my respect for you in there, Toph

I've never tried it but I heard it's a tradition in some places.

(January 5, 2013 at 3:42 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I've never tried it but I heard it's a tradition in some places.

Must be England then, I apologize for lumping you in with a bunch of taste-lacking englishmen

May I be forgiven if I give you a hug?

(January 5, 2013 at 3:52 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote:

(January 5, 2013 at 3:42 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I've never tried it but I heard it's a tradition in some places.

Must be England then, I apologize for lumping you in with a bunch of taste-lacking englishmen

May I be forgiven if I give you a hug?

I'll take all the hugs I can get.

(January 5, 2013 at 1:38 pm)FallentoReason Wrote:

(January 5, 2013 at 9:03 am)Mark 13:13 Wrote: That's why the arguement although interesting from the point of where philosophicaly of how right or wrong (in my opinion but then i'm late into this field os maybe its already been thrashed out to a conclusion before )exists within an Athiest framework its never any real use in a God/no God debate.

Sorry, I don't quite understand what you mean. Could you please rephrase or elaborate on your point?

Well why would the argument for morality being proof of God counter the argument that morality evolved like everything else in the universe, the only way a Theist might try push the point is say without God there cannot be a gold standard unchanging code as God is the only Unchanging Entity that exists ( MY WORDS I KNOW) so I would suspect the Athiest say well we can have morality without god and then the question would be asked how? and of we go into how morality exists within the Framework of the Athiest system and what is the definition of said morality and qualities of said morality. I'm not an expert but thats the way i would see it evolve; i'm sure there are vets in the forum can say if thats what tends to happen or if im partially right or even wrong.

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(January 5, 2013 at 3:52 pm)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote:

(January 5, 2013 at 3:42 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote: I've never tried it but I heard it's a tradition in some places.

Must be England then, I apologize for lumping you in with a bunch of taste-lacking englishmen

May I be forgiven if I give you a hug?

Wonder what she'd think of those Scottish folk who like their Mars bars in batter and fried. Makes apple pie and cheese on top almost seem appealing.

(January 5, 2013 at 3:55 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: Wonder what she'd think of those Scottish folk who like their Mars bars in batter and fried. Makes apple pie and cheese on top almost seem appealing.

Oh no, I can see the flavor profile of that one... but cheesy apple pie? That's hardcore shit. Don't worry, the scotts have plenty of nonsensical foods.

(January 5, 2013 at 3:55 pm)Mark 13:13 Wrote: [...] without God there cannot be a gold standard unchanging code as God is the only Unchanging Entity that exists ( MY WORDS I KNOW)

How can we tell if there is such a gold standard unchanging code?

100 million years ago, what was the moral code used by the inhabitants of this planet?

(January 5, 2013 at 4:24 pm)pocaracas Wrote: 100 million years ago, what was the moral code used by the inhabitants of this planet?

Um, I'm guessing this guy is a creationist. They can't comprehend numbers larger than 6000.

(January 5, 2013 at 4:28 pm)teaearlgreyhot Wrote:

(January 5, 2013 at 4:24 pm)pocaracas Wrote: 100 million years ago, what was the moral code used by the inhabitants of this planet?

Um, I'm guessing this guy is a creationist. They can't comprehend numbers larger than 6000.

no hes an athiest i think ; well thats where a lot of Athiest would go I think; morality does not have a gold standard but is a product of the times it is applied to; which then raises the question is good or evil just plastic concepts to be molded as we want or even is there any such thing as good or evil in an athiest philosophical framework and as you can see were no longer discussing God which would have been the purpose of A theist who might want to use the original topic of the thread as an arguement so thats why I don't consider it could ever lead to a proof but it may then make an athiest consider the implication of the outcome of this debate at an emotional/instinctual which I think is a very potent way to begin to change someones mind. You just need to see how many poor laws are brought in on the bases of very emotionally provocative and often rare events that logic was not the primary shift in public opinion. And why political parties play to patriotism so much.