(January 10, 2013 at 8:09 pm)jonb Wrote: If the use of hand guns is for target practice, why is one needed in the home? Or are they kept in the home to use against criminals?

Notice how he said target practice was a major use, not the only use.

Quote:Oh pardon me, I just have not noticed all the people in Britain strolling about with guns. You know so much more about where I live than I do. These Gun free zones, are they in the Antarctic?

....? What the hell are you talking about? I said it was harder for people to get guns in Britain and that there are tight restrictions on what you can have.

If a baseball bat is for use at the baseball field, why are they needed in the home? If knives are for cutting steak, why does anyone ever carry one?

IE: That argument is a non-sequitur.

So is a gun free zone, as A Theist so helpfully points out just a place where a sign is stuck up. And as such of no meaning and therefore any statistics drawn of more or less crime in that area of no value whatsoever?

(January 10, 2013 at 8:26 pm)jonb Wrote: So is a gun free zone

Did I not just explain to you how Britain is NOT a gun-free zone?

Quote:any statistics drawn of more or less crime in that area of no value whatsoever

They have value. They prove that criminals read "gun-free zone" as "unarmed sucker zone".

(January 10, 2013 at 8:22 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: If a baseball bat is for use at the baseball field, why are they needed in the home? If knives are for cutting steak, why does anyone ever carry one?

IE: That argument is a non-sequitur.

But, A Theist tells me he has his guns to use against criminals, and if I want to protect my family I should have one too. That does not sound like it is being kept for just target practice. Tibs implies you should practice with targets so you can shoot the criminal. So what is the gun for?

(January 10, 2013 at 8:34 pm)jonb Wrote: Tibs implies you should practice with targets so you can shoot the criminal.

That's just one of the reasons. Some people practice to hone their hunting skills, some to compete, and some just because they have an interest in firearms and like to use them (in a non-violent manner).

(January 10, 2013 at 8:30 pm)Surtr Wrote: They have value. They prove that criminals read "gun-free zone" as "unarmed sucker zone".

So is it anything more than an area around a sign?

(January 10, 2013 at 8:34 pm)jonb Wrote:

(January 10, 2013 at 8:22 pm)Creed of Heresy Wrote: If a baseball bat is for use at the baseball field, why are they needed in the home? If knives are for cutting steak, why does anyone ever carry one?

IE: That argument is a non-sequitur.

But, A Theist tells me he has his guns to use against criminals, and if I want to protect my family I should have one too. That does not sound like it is being kept for just target practice. Tibs implies you should practice with targets so you can shoot the criminal. So what is the gun for?

I have a gun in my house for home defense....you say that you have no want for one, that's fine for you....but what business is it of someone who lives in the uk and elsewhere in europe, that myself or any other U.S. citizen chooses to own a gun and use it for home defense or target practice?

That's something I've found amusing is how British people scoff and snicker and say "banning all guns will cure America of ALL of its criminal ills! We ought to know, we banned guns and it made things better! ...Wait it made things WORSE? hm! Best not take note of that little statistical anomaly! They're Americans, they won't know the difference!"

Except we do, because like how the stereotype that all Brits have jagged buck-teeth and are named Nigel is false, so is the stereotype that all Americans are idiots.

(January 10, 2013 at 8:02 pm)A Theist Wrote: A gun free zone is something like this...

Zombies don't kill people, people kill people.

Wouldn't the solution be to make zombification illegal?