(February 10, 2013 at 5:46 pm)Brakeman Wrote:

(February 10, 2013 at 5:23 pm)Drich Wrote: .. you are still insistent that Christians are bound by Jewish Law.

I didn't make this claim. I said it is the exact same god. It was jesus' father that said these words. The same unchanging god. Whether or not christians can make an out for themselves to avoid the chore of burning witches is not the point. The point is that it is jesus' dad that said to do this horrific thing. Jesus himself was born into this OT jewish religion and walked among the jewish throng that believed that this is the right thing to do. Did jesus correct them by saying that daddy was wrong about that? Did jesus say "forget all those old rules, my dad was just being an ass?" Do you think that in all the 33 years of his life down here he never once heard of anyone talk about killing witches? When jesus went into the temples, did he say to the rabbis that they had it a little bit wrong, or everything wrong to the point of calling them a completely different religion?

First off, there is no contemporary evidence of the alleged Jesus character's time of his existence. All the Gospels were written after the alleged time period.

Secondly, OT vs NT, kinda misses the point that the OT god is a bloodthirsty selfish narcissist.

So ignoring the OT is kinda like if a spouse beats the shit out of his wife, says he wont do it again, does that excuse his abuse? Oh and when you get to the end of the book in any case, god goes right back to abuse and torture.

So I really don't care about OT vs NT argument crap because they will simply move the goal posts. The book is full of violence, and the head character God either condones it, or partakes in it, and at the end of the book he sticks us in a death cage match and says "The loyal ones who kill for me get to hang out with me" all others will be tortured for eternity.

Really nice guy huh?

(February 11, 2013 at 10:21 pm)Brian37 Wrote: First off, there is no contemporary evidence of the alleged Jesus character's time of his existence.

If their was a painic stop botton in a Jesus conversation, this would be it. If you not willing to entertain the Idea that Christ existed (whatever the reason) then their is no need to go any further.

(February 11, 2013 at 11:18 pm)Drich Wrote: If their was a painic stop botton in a Jesus conversation, this would be it. If you not willing to entertain the Idea that Christ existed (whatever the reason) then their is no need to go any further.

Holy crap, you and I actually agree on something?!

Seriously though, that's a debate stopper. Just like I hate it when christians tell me I'm just angry at god, or that he moves in mysterious ways, I also hate the "he's not real anyway" argument. Just take it as an exercise in imagination and continue the debate.

(February 11, 2013 at 11:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Pointing to the Christian Rule book, and then pointing to the fact that these people did not have any CHRISTIAN RULES to support their actions, Makes what they did by Defination, A non Christian Act!!

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Exodus 22:18

18 “Do not allow a sorceress to live.

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But the OT doesn't count...ever. At least not when it makes Christianity look bad.

And technicality alert: even if this isn't binding anymore, it still reflects the will of god just as much as "thou shalt not kill" (ironically) does.

(February 11, 2013 at 11:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Which BTW is what makes you a Bigot (By literal defination)
big·ot
noun \ˈbi-gət\
Definition of BIGOT
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

In your continual persuit of trying to frame their deeds as santified Christian act (even after shooting every single objection you had with a scriptural backing, AND providing you with a scriptural example of how the Apstole Peter dealt with a 'sorcerer.') You still insist By the way of your sheer desire that these men were following Christian rule. So you can persecute Christianity, and up hold your own morality as being superior. What you fail to realize (but appearently your peers on this web site do not) Is you had to sell your 'morality' to do it. You have become the same intolerant bigot that you claim witch burning "Christians" are. You sir are The king of the hypocrits.

Oh my, you kept talking after I posted. Figures.

How, pray, am I persecuting christianity by noting that religious beliefs probably played a part in the death of this woman, and that's a bad thing? Because, see, I never stated a position here, beyond an acknowledgement that yes, there was probably some biblical juju at work in this case. How is my being intellectually honest a bigoted act?

Did I say all christians are at fault here? Did I say all Papuans are at fault here? Or even the specific community in question? No, I never did. What I did say, however, was that this crime probably had a religious origin. And that you are ridiculous for thinking witches were real, but that's a different issue.

(February 12, 2013 at 12:00 am)Esquilax Wrote: Except you call us all bigoted for daring to blame their religion in this case.

No, I did not. I called those who were involved in the dehumanizing of the people of this Island Nation Bigots for making like everyone who lived there to be 3rd world primitives, who burn and sometimes eat people in the name of God. When I suggested that, this was a indivisual's (Meaning one or more people not an entire race) Crime against another. I was bocked at, and told it was a "cultural issue" Meaning that whole race/nation of people have been corrupted by Christianity into burning witches.)
Which in of itself is a racist thing to say.

Quote:Given this, it's clear that you think their religion is a non-issue, and as you go on, you label their actions as non christian. How, exactly, can this be interpreted any other way?

Stop assuming, and ask a frigging question from time to time. Religion= The way we worship God. Is a non issue Because Santified (Authorized) Christian Worship is outlined in scripture. Now because what they did was not in the bible, it makes burning witches a NON Christian/ Non Santified/ NOt Authorized in any way shape or form way to worship God. Matter of fact what they did is considered a sin.

Quote:And who are you to judge their actions?

We are called to judge our brothers and keep them in check. We do this by keeping our "Offical Christian Practices" In line with what the bible teaches.

Quote: Your christian law includes the burning of witches, that's literally written down in the bible, but you ignore that because you don't like it.

Either Show me Book Chapter and Verse or admit you are lying or just plain stupid either or.

Because I have pointed out 15 times in this thread there are not ANY Christian verses that tell us to burn witches. I even went so far as to show you a passage in Acts where Peter encounters a Sorcerer, and simply demands that he repent of his sin. Nothing more.

I read the rest of you message, and There is no need to get into your arguement any further unless you can provide New Testamant Scripture that established a command that Christians are to burn witches as you have indicated.

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(February 12, 2013 at 12:05 am)Esquilax Wrote:

(February 11, 2013 at 11:34 pm)Drich Wrote: Which BTW is what makes you a Bigot (By literal defination)
big·ot
noun \ˈbi-gət\
Definition of BIGOT
: a person who is obstinately or intolerantly devoted to his or her own opinions and prejudices; especially: one who regards or treats the members of a group (as a racial or ethnic group) with hatred and intolerance

In your continual persuit of trying to frame their deeds as santified Christian act (even after shooting every single objection you had with a scriptural backing, AND providing you with a scriptural example of how the Apstole Peter dealt with a 'sorcerer.') You still insist By the way of your sheer desire that these men were following Christian rule. So you can persecute Christianity, and up hold your own morality as being superior. What you fail to realize (but appearently your peers on this web site do not) Is you had to sell your 'morality' to do it. You have become the same intolerant bigot that you claim witch burning "Christians" are. You sir are The king of the hypocrits.

Oh my, you kept talking after I posted. Figures.

How, pray, am I persecuting christianity by noting that religious beliefs probably played a part in the death of this woman, and that's a bad thing? Because, see, I never stated a position here, beyond an acknowledgement that yes, there was probably some biblical juju at work in this case. How is my being intellectually honest a bigoted act?

Did I say all christians are at fault here? Did I say all Papuans are at fault here? Or even the specific community in question? No, I never did. What I did say, however, was that this crime probably had a religious origin. And that you are ridiculous for thinking witches were real, but that's a different issue.

Looks like someone finally pulled his head out of the sand, and is beginning to see what everyone else saw comming 4 pages ago.. (Did someone PM you or did you finally figure things out on your own?) nothing like some last minute back peddaling to confirm one's wrong doing.

(February 12, 2013 at 12:39 am)Drich Wrote: Either Show me Book Chapter and Verse or admit you are lying or just plain stupid either or.

Because I have pointed out 15 times in this thread there are not ANY Christian verses that tell us to burn witches.

(February 12, 2013 at 12:03 am)Darkstar Wrote:

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Exodus 22:18

18 “Do not allow a sorceress [b]to live.

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But the OT doesn't count...ever. At least not when it makes Christianity look bad.

And technicality alert: even if this isn't binding anymore, it still reflects the will of god just as much as "thou shalt not kill" (ironically) does.

Okay, it doesn't specifically say "burn", I'll give you that.

(February 12, 2013 at 12:39 am)Drich Wrote: I even went so far as to show you a passage in Acts where Peter encounters a Sorcerer, and simply demands that he repent of his sin. Nothing more.

But what about

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Matthew 5:17-20
The Fulfillment of the Law

17 “Do not think that I have come to abolish the Law or the Prophets; I have not come to abolish them but to fulfill them. 18 For truly I tell you, until heaven and earth disappear, not the smallest letter, not the least stroke of a pen, will by any means disappear from the Law until everything is accomplished. 19 Therefore anyone who sets aside one of the least of these commands and teaches others accordingly will be called least in the kingdom of heaven, but whoever practices and teaches these commands will be called great in the kingdom of heaven. 20 For I tell you that unless your righteousness surpasses that of the Pharisees and the teachers of the law, you will certainly not enter the kingdom of heaven.

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(February 12, 2013 at 12:39 am)Drich Wrote: I read the rest of you message, and There is no need to get into your arguement any further unless you can provide New Testamant Scripture that established a command that Christians are to burn witches as you have indicated.

You want an NT law in particular? Jesus wanted people to follow the spirit of the law, not just the letter, but as I said in my previous post (quoted here), regardless of whether or not the OT laws need to be followed to the letter to achieve salvation or not does not change the fact that they are still the will of god. Jesus didn't say anything specifically about witches just like he didn't say anything about homosexuality. Sooo...what's it going to be? (I'm not saying that you are homophobic, but some Christians use Leveticus as justification for it...not that you wouldn't already be aware of that fact).