I can't believe I used to sound like this idiot.

"Bottom line is, you're talking to a dude. Call me insensitive, but a man who wants to be a woman and vice versa is like anyone else wanting to be something that they are not. If a white guy walks around telling everyone he's black, he't not black. He's a white guy trying to be black. Even if he gets surgery to turn himself black. Don't get me wrong, they have every right to be want to be what they aren't, but I'm not going to pretend with you. If you were born with a dick you're a man, if you were born with a vagina you're a woman. Be a effeminate man, or be a masculine woman, thats perfectly fine with me. I'm just not going to lie to please someone."

I found the above genius on a different website, ranting about transexual people. So far, my response is thus;

That's the way I used to look at it. But consider this; how do we define male and female?

Certainly, humans don't base relationships ONLY on physical attraction. If we did, marriage or love wouldn't exist, and prostitution would be as far as a relationship would ever go. She is not pretending to be a female, she is not *acting* like a female. As a child, she developed to have the mind of a female. If you're religious, I'll offer that she was born with a female spirit. She doesn't want to be a woman; she already is, she just wants her body to match.

Reflecting back on some time spent here on the Atheist forums, I am proud to say that I've changed for the better, with some help. I no longer make ignorant claims, at least not the same ones as the person I quoted above. I'm disgusted that I once argued in a similar way. . .

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Anyway... if you're not willing to lie to please someone, you should probably avoid sex: because you suck at it

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(February 12, 2013 at 1:20 am)Aegrus Wrote: That's the way I used to look at it. But consider this; how do we define male and female?

We define male and female in a way which totally annihilates the intent, and humorously contradicts our understanding of either term

Bonus points if we defend these definitions with arguments from authority (or even better: establishment!)

(February 12, 2013 at 4:27 am)Violet Lilly Blossom Wrote: We define male and female in a way which totally annihilates the intent, and humorously contradicts our understanding of either term

Bonus points if we defend these definitions with arguments from authority (or even better: establishment!)

Oh. . . shit. I said something wrong again, didn't I? I'm *really* sorry. Maybe I should just shut up now.

Kudos man, I used to say some right fucked up shit too before I joined.

(February 12, 2013 at 1:20 am)Aegrus quoted someone else as saying Wrote: If you were born with a dick you're a man...

How about those that are born dicks? Now, if only someone could come up with a procedure they could undergo. It'd sure save the rest of us a lot of grief.

(February 12, 2013 at 12:07 pm)Vera Wrote:

(February 12, 2013 at 1:20 am)Randominternetguy Wrote: If you were born with a dick you're a man...

How about those that are born dicks? Now, if only someone could come up with a procedure they could undergo. It'd sure save the rest of us a lot of grief.

Okay, um. . . could you somehow edit your post to reflect that I didn't say that bit you quoted? Because I didn't; I was quoting a different person. And if someone's scanning the page, there could be a very large misunderstanding with the way the quote is worded now.

(February 12, 2013 at 2:35 pm)Aegrus Wrote: Okay, um. . . could you somehow edit your post to reflect that I didn't say that bit you quoted? Because I didn't; I was quoting a different person. And if someone's scanning the page, there could be a very large misunderstanding with the way the quote is worded now.

Come on! Who's gonna start reading the thread from my post They make it thus far, they're bound to know you ain't the bigot.

Also, turns out I can only edit post 120 minutes after they've been posted. Tough luck

(February 12, 2013 at 2:51 pm)Vera Wrote:

(February 12, 2013 at 2:35 pm)Aegrus Wrote: Okay, um. . . could you somehow edit your post to reflect that I didn't say that bit you quoted? Because I didn't; I was quoting a different person. And if someone's scanning the page, there could be a very large misunderstanding with the way the quote is worded now.

Come on! Who's gonna start reading the thread from my post They make it thus far, they're bound to know you ain't the bigot.

Also, turns out I can only edit post 120 minutes after they've been posted. Tough luck

Fixed it.

Yep. Straight cisgender guys like to act as though transgenderism is too complicated for them to understand, but it's actually pretty straightforward. All you have to do is care to be educated on the matter.

(February 12, 2013 at 3:02 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: Yep. Straight cisgender guys like to act as though transgenderism is too complicated for them to understand, but it's actually pretty straightforward. All you have to do is care to be educated on the matter.

Yeah, I once read someone say that transgender people should just learn to accept their bodies and live as gay people. So much ignorance should come with an built-in mechanism for self-destruction.