(February 20, 2013 at 1:24 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: those angels minister in the presence of God
why would you find them here on earth?

Are you suggesting that god has no presence on Earth?

(February 20, 2013 at 3:35 am)EGross Wrote: It's not just Christians. Religious Jews will pray 3 times a day and at the end will bow in 3 different directions, one to Michael, one to Gabriel, and then straight ahead (God). On Friday night, when the husband arrives home from evening service, the family sings a song to welcome the pair of angels that followed him home and then to send them away. On preperation for repentance, there are a series of poems (Kinot), and one of them directly asks an angel to deliver a message to God, and the Rambam criticised such a thing, but it is still in the collection of prayers (granted, a few communities omit it, but only out of deference to the Rambam). And, of course (based on the book of Daniel), when two nations are fighting, the belief that it is an expression of their angesl who are fighting, since each nation has it's own angel.

For demons, religious Jews will wash their hands first thing in the morning because Dybbuks reside under the fingernails (tiny demons). Feminist Jewsesses have accepted Lilith as a symbol of their plight, who is the mother of demons (as a result of wanting to have the dominant sexual position with Adam). The last recorded exorcism was by the Chofetz Chaim, but the idea of posession is not unheard of. And, of course, the Babylonian Talmud is full of ghosts, and demons (especially those who dwell in the latrines and ruins), and many students of those texts have taken them to be lieterally true and, therefore, unquestioned in their authenticity.

Yeah, people love this Angel and Demon stuff. I don't think it matters which religion.

Good v. Evil is the cornerstone of every book, novel, movie, etc

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(February 20, 2013 at 1:25 pm)cato123 Wrote:

(February 20, 2013 at 1:24 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: those angels minister in the presence of God
why would you find them here on earth?

Are you suggesting that god has no presence on Earth?

God's presence is within the born again man
no where else
this world belonged to satan
God is getting ready to foreclose on the junkyard

(February 20, 2013 at 12:14 am)Drich Wrote:

(February 19, 2013 at 11:27 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Christians of today are veering away from the angels and demons found in their storybook Why can't science detect these?

How would an physical angel or demon differ from anyone else? What would "science" look for?

Quote:Why haven't we found Cockatrice skeletons?

If they were real then by their descriptions, any remains found would be divided, and either attributed as avian or reptile.

-Or in this case. I would say it was just renamed by "science."
http://dinosaurs.about.com/od/typesofdin...aptors.htm

The Cockatrice may not be a full on 12ft raptor, but it could have been one of it's last relatives. The point is: 'even if a rose is not call a rose it will still smells as sweet..
-Billy The bard.

Quote:Why can't science detect the demons inside people today that the church still yet exorcises?

Who's to say Demons (non physical) haven't been renamed as well? After if they all present a certain way, can be tested and respond to stimulus in a predictable way they qualify as legit "science" and can be categorized anyway "science" see fit. Meaning they can be taken out of the realm of magic and dismissed as common place. I've said this before, Just because we have changed the labels of what our forefathers described to us does not mean they can all just be dismissed. Removing the mystery does not mean angels and demons disappear.

Quote:If angels walk among us, at so many pastors claim, why can't atheists detect them?

again without God to open your eyes, ears, and heart how would you know what to look for?

Quote: What "magic" do they use to hide themselves and why?

Do you want to read what the bible says about them?

Quote:Why won't demons and devils show their face and prove to us their supernatural power? What do they have to lose in doing so?

That would be counter productive to their end game wouldn't it? So why would they?

Quote:Why would they delight in torturing us when we don't tow god's lines?

What if, "towing God's line" Takes us out of Harms way? And dropping the line allows us to wander into their grasp??

Quote:Aren't they fighting against god?

No. The fight ended at the resurrection. The only evil left in the world resides in the heart of man. it is this Evil that Demons look to indwell.

Yea, more naked assertions that fill your personal wishful thinking fantasy but explain nothing about the nature of reality.

The reason angles and demons cannot be detected is for the same reason we don't fly around on brooms like Harry Potter or fly around like Tinkerbell or Peter Pan.

The "evil" is not due to fictional beings. The bad and cruel things humans do to each other is due to evolution. We do not need your superstitious fictional super hero to explain either the good or bad that happen in reality.

The earth is not flat and Thor does not make lightening and the sun is not a god.

(February 20, 2013 at 1:30 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: God's presence is within the born again man
no where else

So this means that there are no born again men on Earth.

(February 20, 2013 at 1:30 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: God's presence is within the born again man
no where else
this world belonged to satan
God is getting ready to foreclose on the junkyard

He better get a move on then - he's been promising that for how many thousands of years now? Still no Judgment Day.

Angels guide me while I go out and get a Sonic milkshake. The cashier makes more sense than you do.

germans is amused by the junkyard

(February 20, 2013 at 1:40 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote:

(February 20, 2013 at 1:30 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: God's presence is within the born again man
no where else
this world belonged to satan
God is getting ready to foreclose on the junkyard

He better get a move on then - he's been promising that for how many thousands of years now? Still no Judgment Day.

Angels guide me while I go out and get a Sonic milkshake. The cashier makes more sense than you do.

kudos

however Jerusalem is the key to the Lords return

Jerusalme is vastly overrated. Plastic crosses from china and angry orthodox abrahamic bollocks.

People I know, who went there told me Tel Avic had the better attractions

My mother and my sister both particularly enjoyed the Dead Sea. I never went there on a birth right trip. I wish someone would pay me to go to Ireland instead.

Mmmmm...Irish. There's a people who know what they're doing.

(February 20, 2013 at 1:50 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: Jerusalme is vastly overrated. Plastic crosses from china and angry orthodox abrahamic bollocks.

People I know, who went there told me Tel Avic had the better attractions

ahh yes, tel aviv, #1 garden of eden for the homosexual.
the sign of Yahweh's judgment against the Jew