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When do we cross the line from 'animal' to 'person?'
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 RE: When do we cross the line from 'animal' to 'person?'
March 23, 2013 at 2:43 am
(This post was last modified: March 23, 2013 at 2:51 am by Violet.)
(March 13, 2013 at 2:13 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: NEVER A big hoax, with a big H for emphasis  Not to be too pedantic, but if it isn't a poe: it gets the hose again. (March 21, 2013 at 6:13 pm)whateverist Wrote: Per the OP I generally cross the line between person and animal midway through my 4th drink. But then I was always a lightweight when it came to alcohol. That's brilliant! 0.o If I feed my dog beer... my dog will become a human! And then I can find out if she's a lesbian and interested in me too~  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=46AGWASyNgI "Woof" (March 21, 2013 at 6:51 pm)mo66 Wrote: Whoever laughs last laughs hardest. I rather think that the first to laugh laughed the hardest... http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pOMqqI-kzHY But then, the bank director died from his laughter, perhaps you mean that he who laughs last is the first to die?  (March 22, 2013 at 6:22 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:(February 6, 2013 at 11:19 am)Shell B Wrote: There is no line. Human is also beast.The more interesting question is when do we give up our humanity and become beastly. Maybe it's interesting to you... how are humans not beastly? * Violet sips her tea, like a proper lady. Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
 (March 22, 2013 at 1:55 pm)whateverist Wrote: I think the shoe is more often on the other foot. Unless you believe in something like creation, why would you doubt man is a mammal? Atheists have no problem with that.Because they don't think much Evolution can be either an intelligent development or it didn't happen at all A non-intelligent evolution is impossilbe Quote:It is more often Christians who have had a problem with that designation since their taxonomy more often goes: A) creatures created in god's image -vs- B) all other creatures.We have the same text but Christians understood it wrong "God created Adam on his image 30 feet in tall" it means God created Adam on his (Adam's) Image i.e. as a full grown person not as a child then he grew   (February 6, 2013 at 10:20 am)TaraJo Wrote: I posted this article here a while back. Yeah, I'm kinda reposting it because I'm coming at it from a more philosophical perspective.There is no person/animal line. We are all animals. I think what you really mean is: What should make us treat another being as a moral agent, (or possibly a potential moral agent), entitled to inclusion in our "in group"? I suspect the answer is: if we suspect a neanderthal baby might become an effective moral agent we should treat it as one. On a practical note I suspect the baby will not have defences against the millions of microbes that have evolved in the last 40,000 years. So if it lives at all it will have a very restricted existence. RE: When do we cross the line from 'animal' to 'person?'
April 4, 2013 at 9:27 am
(This post was last modified: April 4, 2013 at 9:30 am by The Grand Nudger.)
(March 22, 2013 at 6:22 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: The more interesting question is when do we give up our humanity and become beastly. That would be pretty difficult to do, what with there being no line between the two. I appreciate that we tend to use these words as though they were somehow the opposite ends of a spectrum - but that says more about how we assign a self serving value to our own little tics - how we devalue the tics of other "beasts". Using the word as a derogatory adjective "beastly" etc. There's probably more than a little bit of leftover baggage from our misunderstandings of who and what we are, our origins in that tendency. To be fair - "beasts" probably value other members of their own group more than they value us as well. (we could always paints the walls of it;s bubble stone grey gordon, it'll feel right at home..  )
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
Oh, I don't know, there are other animals that do some pretty wild shit. Sharks that eat their siblings - highlander style- while in the womb..there can be only one, after all.
But i'd call animals like that specialists - and what we lack in depth we make up for in breadth...lol.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (March 5, 2013 at 6:17 pm)jstrodel Wrote:(March 5, 2013 at 3:10 am)Chuck Wrote: Idiot, the subtle implication of naturalistic evolution is that the need for survival would select humans to be predisposed to think themselves more valuable than any other creature, so as to gain additional impetus to protect themselves and improve survival odds by cooperating with others like them. Therefore if you are not intelligent enough to see through the cause of your predisposition, then you would tend to mindlessly surrender to your predisposition to grasp at straws to maintain the dilusion that you habe have some intrinsic value beyond your agilities and achievements through such insipid fantasies as the christain god, almost like a monkey would mindlessly surrender to his predisposition to howl at banana and throw his own feces. Let me give an example of why simple cellular organisms are more important than you. Certain bacteria kill disease. Animals rely partly on these too. Your bacon stops going in your fridge. Your local police station no longer helps you out. You die, and the world is forever dominated by bacterium. So, do you think that these "good bacterium" are more important keeping your species from going extinct than just you? |
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