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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:32 pm
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Sorry german was reslponse to joel.
And joel youve answered my point.Icanfind many people who would say brainwashing is morally fine. Accordibg to you joel is morallity defined black and white. Or does everyone think different
Allah says in the Qur'an:
ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَادِلْهُمْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ ضَلَّ عَنْ سَبِيلِهِ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." [Surah 16:125]
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: “The most complete in faith are those best in their character, those who are easy to socialise with, and those who get along with others and others get along with them. There is no good in the one who cannot get along with others and others cannot get along with him.” -Tirmidhi
Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6307:
'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “Truth leads one to Paradise and virtue leads one to Paradise and the person tells the truth until he is recorded as truthful, and lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell, and the person tells a lie until he is recorded as a liar.”
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:35 pm
ohhhh
you mean what is wrong with taking whatever the quoran says to be moral, for moraly ok?
Well, one example. The quoran categorises all non believers into 3 categories, one of those are non believers who live outside o islamic rule.
The quoran states that the nonbelievers outside of islamic rule have no rights until they are under islamic rule.
not even the right to live.
that contradicts all oral values which keep together the world comunity today.
Islam can justify a conquering war all over the world and the killing of civilians by simply pointing to the quoran.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:37 pm
(March 30, 2013 at 10:32 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Sorry german was reslponse to joel.
And joel youve answered my point.Icanfind many people who would say brainwashing is morally fine. Accordibg to you joel is morallity defined black and white. Or does everyone think different
Wait, what? The people that say brainwashing is morally fine are most likely brainwashed, themselves. Morality is not black and white - I don't know how you pulled that from what I said - but there are some things that are shunned by all societies, for good reason.
(March 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Never read anything immoral in the Qur'an.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:38 pm
(This post was last modified: March 30, 2013 at 10:39 pm by ThatMuslimGuy2.)
Is incest wrong?
p.s. i asked a question is it black or white? not tht u said it was.
Allah says in the Qur'an:
ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَادِلْهُمْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ ضَلَّ عَنْ سَبِيلِهِ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." [Surah 16:125]
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: “The most complete in faith are those best in their character, those who are easy to socialise with, and those who get along with others and others get along with them. There is no good in the one who cannot get along with others and others cannot get along with him.” -Tirmidhi
Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6307:
'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “Truth leads one to Paradise and virtue leads one to Paradise and the person tells the truth until he is recorded as truthful, and lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell, and the person tells a lie until he is recorded as a liar.”
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:40 pm
(March 30, 2013 at 10:38 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Is incest wrong?
p.s. i asked a question is it black or white? not tht u said it was.
Sorry, I didn't realise; there was no question mark.
Incest isn't wrong. But it shouldn't happen. We can observe the consequences of it and decide that it's bad.
(March 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Never read anything immoral in the Qur'an.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:41 pm
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All society? I domt need to talk about nazi germany.
Ok so why is brainwashing wrong but incest isnt?
Allah says in the Qur'an:
ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَادِلْهُمْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ ضَلَّ عَنْ سَبِيلِهِ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." [Surah 16:125]
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: “The most complete in faith are those best in their character, those who are easy to socialise with, and those who get along with others and others get along with them. There is no good in the one who cannot get along with others and others cannot get along with him.” -Tirmidhi
Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6307:
'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “Truth leads one to Paradise and virtue leads one to Paradise and the person tells the truth until he is recorded as truthful, and lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell, and the person tells a lie until he is recorded as a liar.”
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:42 pm
(March 30, 2013 at 10:41 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: All society? I domt need to talk about nazi germany.
Ok so why is brainwashing wrong but incest isnt?
Because incest is consensual between two people. Brainwashing is not.
(March 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Never read anything immoral in the Qur'an.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:44 pm
My simple point isnt saying whats right and wrong a problem for the atheist. What is evil? Who decides. Isnt someone elses Evil someones good. Why is evil evil?
Allah says in the Qur'an:
ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَادِلْهُمْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ ضَلَّ عَنْ سَبِيلِهِ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." [Surah 16:125]
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: “The most complete in faith are those best in their character, those who are easy to socialise with, and those who get along with others and others get along with them. There is no good in the one who cannot get along with others and others cannot get along with him.” -Tirmidhi
Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6307:
'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “Truth leads one to Paradise and virtue leads one to Paradise and the person tells the truth until he is recorded as truthful, and lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell, and the person tells a lie until he is recorded as a liar.”
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:46 pm
There is no Evil.
(March 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Never read anything immoral in the Qur'an.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 10:46 pm
Nazi germany opted out of "society" in such a dramatic way that this question becomes difficult to decipher.
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