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Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 9:12 pm
There was a recent debate in London Entitled "Islam or Atheism which one makes more sense"
Tell me what you think of the debate.
How was laurence krauss arguments?
How was Hamza's?
How did Krauss represent Atheism in your viewpoint?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uSwJuOPG4FI
http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=uSwJuOPG4FI
Allah says in the Qur'an:
ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَادِلْهُمْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ ضَلَّ عَنْ سَبِيلِهِ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." [Surah 16:125]
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: “The most complete in faith are those best in their character, those who are easy to socialise with, and those who get along with others and others get along with them. There is no good in the one who cannot get along with others and others cannot get along with him.” -Tirmidhi
Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6307:
'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “Truth leads one to Paradise and virtue leads one to Paradise and the person tells the truth until he is recorded as truthful, and lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell, and the person tells a lie until he is recorded as a liar.”
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 9:23 pm
Krauss doesnt represent atheism.
Atheism isnt a monolithic block marching under one banner and having the same arguments in debate.
Every atheist is an individual who reached athism through his or her own conclusions, hence represents him or herself.
Atheism has no dogma.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 9:24 pm
I Know i use to be an Atheist. I meant was his arguments good. Do you agree with him.
Allah says in the Qur'an:
ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَادِلْهُمْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ ضَلَّ عَنْ سَبِيلِهِ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." [Surah 16:125]
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: “The most complete in faith are those best in their character, those who are easy to socialise with, and those who get along with others and others get along with them. There is no good in the one who cannot get along with others and others cannot get along with him.” -Tirmidhi
Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6307:
'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “Truth leads one to Paradise and virtue leads one to Paradise and the person tells the truth until he is recorded as truthful, and lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell, and the person tells a lie until he is recorded as a liar.”
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 9:26 pm
(March 30, 2013 at 9:24 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: I Know i use to be an Atheist. I meant was his arguments good. Do you agree with him.
Everyone used to be an atheist.
(March 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Never read anything immoral in the Qur'an.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 9:27 pm
(This post was last modified: March 30, 2013 at 9:29 pm by Something completely different.)
Quote:iERA is a global dawah organisation committed to presenting Islam to wider society
is it worth watching this, since it is an islamic channel?
can I expect it to cut scenes and stuff like that?
(March 30, 2013 at 9:24 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: I Know i use to be an Atheist. I meant was his arguments good. Do you agree with him.
As Joel mentioned.
No one here will believe a single theist who claims to have been an atheist.
why?
because every single one claims to have benn an atheist.
and almoust everyone has no idea what atheism actualy is.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 9:29 pm
(This post was last modified: March 30, 2013 at 9:30 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Paraphrase his argument for me Muslimguy?
(or some portion of it you find the most intriguing)
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 9:34 pm
Quote:No one here will believe a single theist who claims to have been an atheist.
why?
because every single one claims to have benn an atheist.
and almoust everyone has no idea what atheism actualy is.
Do we have a single biblethumper here who didn't claim to once be an atheist?
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 9:34 pm
IERA is not an Islamic Channel. They organised debates called TheBigDebates so far with three Atheist so Muslims and non muslims can learn about each other. Nope just the debate.
And i think thats a Little arrogant to say whoever left Atheism to Theism "Has no idea what Atheism is. I was Atheist for three years. I know why i became Atheist the same reasons many people have pn this site.So i do feel like, as i used to assume, that you see Muslim n think i dont understand Atheism. I do
Allah says in the Qur'an:
ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَادِلْهُمْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ ضَلَّ عَنْ سَبِيلِهِ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." [Surah 16:125]
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: “The most complete in faith are those best in their character, those who are easy to socialise with, and those who get along with others and others get along with them. There is no good in the one who cannot get along with others and others cannot get along with him.” -Tirmidhi
Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6307:
'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “Truth leads one to Paradise and virtue leads one to Paradise and the person tells the truth until he is recorded as truthful, and lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell, and the person tells a lie until he is recorded as a liar.”
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 9:36 pm
(This post was last modified: March 30, 2013 at 9:36 pm by Joel.)
(March 30, 2013 at 9:34 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: IERA is not an Islamic Channel. They organised debates called TheBigDebates so far with three Atheist so Muslims and non muslims can learn about each other. Nope just the debate.
And i think thats a Little arrogant to say whoever left Atheism to Theism "Has no idea what Atheism is. I was Atheist for three years. I know why i became Atheist the same reasons many people have pn this site.So i do feel like, as i used to assume, that you see Muslim n think i dont understand Atheism. I do
Quote:because every single one claims to have benn an atheist.
and almost everyone has no idea what atheism actualy is.
Read it carefully. I bolded it specially for you.
(March 30, 2013 at 9:51 pm)ThatMuslimGuy2 Wrote: Never read anything immoral in the Qur'an.
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RE: Islam or Atheism
March 30, 2013 at 9:37 pm
I was replying to german joel
Allah says in the Qur'an:
ادْعُ إِلَىٰ سَبِيلِ رَبِّكَ بِالْحِكْمَةِ وَالْمَوْعِظَةِ الْحَسَنَةِ ۖ وَجَادِلْهُمْ بِالَّتِي هِيَ أَحْسَنُ ۚ إِنَّ رَبَّكَ هُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِمَنْ ضَلَّ عَنْ سَبِيلِهِ ۖ وَهُوَ أَعْلَمُ بِالْمُهْتَدِينَ
"Invite to the way of your Lord with wisdom and good instruction, and argue with them in a way that is best. Indeed, your Lord is most knowing of who has strayed from His way, and He is most knowing of who is [rightly] guided." [Surah 16:125]
Prophet Muhammad (SAW) said: “The most complete in faith are those best in their character, those who are easy to socialise with, and those who get along with others and others get along with them. There is no good in the one who cannot get along with others and others cannot get along with him.” -Tirmidhi
Sahih Muslim, Book 32, Number 6307:
'Abdullah reported Allah's Messenger (may peace be upon him) as saying: “Truth leads one to Paradise and virtue leads one to Paradise and the person tells the truth until he is recorded as truthful, and lie leads to obscenity and obscenity leads to Hell, and the person tells a lie until he is recorded as a liar.”
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