is this another: "why are you an atheist thread"????




let me just ask: "Why do you care?"

(April 1, 2013 at 7:37 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: A strong sense of community and belonging, good monetary support, and an education is better than "a father and mother".

I don't know about that. Before there was money and education, there was family. And family has been what passed on morals to kids, generation after generation. I don't think a society can function without "family" units.

Orphans should be taken care of, but there is reason why we feel sorry for Orphans, it's because they grow up without parents.

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(April 1, 2013 at 7:55 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Norm wasn't necessarily "the best" - our species had evolved long before then. Read "sex at dawn". Take it with a grain of salt, but it's interesting.

I will try to get the book at the library. This is an interesting conversation....

Norm doesn't necessarily mean best, but when, you go across cultures all over the world, and the societies teach sanctity of marriage and emphasize on doing it in marriage, surely there must be a reason?

Moreover, even if it was not for the best, if it is what we naturally tended to feel due to how things occurred...then can you blame people for feeling it is "bad" to do do?

Usually it's a religious reason. Meanwhile, perfectly normal families on the outside end up being abusive and rotten on the inside, whilst 'homosexual' and therefore not normal families get labeled bad, but produce perfectly normal children.

Just because something was done one way for a long time doesn't mean it's "best".

(April 1, 2013 at 8:08 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Usually it's a religious reason. Meanwhile, perfectly normal families on the outside end up being abusive and rotten on the inside, whilst 'homosexual' and therefore not normal families get labeled bad, but produce perfectly normal children.

Just because something was done one way for a long time doesn't mean it's "best".

Ok, do you think it's because of religion, people thought murder was wrong, or did religion say murder was wrong because of other reasons?

If it was only one religion or two, that taught it was wrong, or one culture or two, then that can be attributed to that religion or culture.

But when it's practically universal, there is more going on.

Homosexuality maybe naturally hated, because, as humans, if we don't naturally hate, there may have been a tendency in the past, to go either way. Perhaps it's not completely genetic, but an element of will is into it. Perhaps if it wasn't so taboo in the past, society would've head towards bisexuality, which would've caused dysfunction, hence didn't happen. Perhaps some bisexuality was inherited in our genes, but then also a strong dislike towards it, was also inherited in our genes.

I don't think all religions practically condemned homosexuality is simply due religion. I think religion condemned it, because of natural tendencies we inherited as humans.

The same is true of why we hate incest.

Why would bisexuality lead towards dysfunction?

(April 1, 2013 at 8:18 pm)thesummerqueen Wrote: Why would bisexuality lead towards dysfunction?

Well, because, family structure is based heavily on the belief of union of man and woman long commitment and raising kids. If we liked both equally or close, then you can imagine, we would want both, if there was no condemnation or ridicule of the concept. IT can also lead significantly to less children, if a lot of the population chooses the same sex. Such a society would not prosper and multiply as much as heterosexual based societies. With war and all that in the past, you can imagine which one would easily get wiped out as well. Plus you have illness and all that, and you need significant amount of kids being born.

I think it is 10% homosexuality across the animal kingdom?

More kids is not ideal at this time. Either way being married is not necessary. A lot of the long term couples who live where I grew up were not married. They outlasted most of the married couples. One couple have like 7 kids now I think. Awesome parents. I don't intend to ever get married. The whole thing seems kind of twisted to me.

Quote:As such, "saving for marriage" is a crapshoot.

There is little interest on such an account. Best to take an occasional withdrawal.

Why does god care so much what I do with my dick? Fucker should worry about his own.

(April 1, 2013 at 8:29 pm)Insanity x Wrote: More kids is not ideal at this time. Either way being married is not necessary. A lot of the long term couples who live where I grew up were not married. They outlasted most of the married couples. One couple have like 7 kids now I think. Awesome parents. I don't intend to ever get married. The whole thing seems kind of twisted to me.

Yeah everything is different now because we live in age different then in the past.

In the past, giving the gift of life, seemed good always, and we always needed more people.

You are right marriage is not needed for a life commitment, but there is a naturally tendency for us to want society and friends and family to recognize a long term commitment. Marriage is just an expression of that desire.

I feel that desire is natural.

Right now, we are in enlightened age. We understand it's very like some people can hardly help themselves but be homosexual. While it seems others had more choice in the matter. This was apparently studies are showing (thanks to enlightening me Missluckie26).

Now it's convenient to just blame religion for all the hate towards homosexuals. But I think there is more to it than that from the naturalism perspective.

The same is true of the sanctity of marriage.

(April 1, 2013 at 8:25 pm)MysticKnight Wrote: Well, because, family structure is based heavily on the belief