(April 5, 2013 at 6:16 pm)smax Wrote: ...yes, all Christians are Creationists. That is a fundamental necessity.

That's crazy talk. Even Roman Catholicism, the largest denomination by far, has no problem with evolution.

(April 5, 2013 at 6:21 pm)ChadWooters Wrote:

(April 5, 2013 at 6:16 pm)smax Wrote: ...yes, all Christians are Creationists. That is a fundamental necessity.

That's crazy talk. Even Roman Catholicism, the largest denomination by far, has no problem with evolution.

Evolution after creation. Do you not know anything about this stuff?

(April 6, 2013 at 12:48 am)smax Wrote:

(April 5, 2013 at 6:21 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: That's crazy talk. Even Roman Catholicism, the largest denomination by far, has no problem with evolution.

Evolution after creation. Do you not know anything about this stuff?

It's not fair to accuse all Christians of interpreting the bible the same way. When I was a christian, I saw the story as more symbolic than anything. I viewed science as revealing the whole truth and religion as just giving hints. There are plenty of christians who are willing to try and compromise between religion and science. They aren't shut off from the truth, but they do still want their comfort.

If you believe that god had any hand in the creation of the universe and living things, you are a creationist. Evolutionary theory accounts for the development of life into its diverse forms, not for the initial appearance of living organisms or the origins of the universe itself.

Ah. I looked it up and I realize I was thinking of young earth creationism specifically. Though I will say a christian could possibly interpret god as something that was created with the natural universe rather than being the creator.

(April 6, 2013 at 9:31 am)Gearbreak Wrote: Ah. I looked it up and I realize I was thinking of young earth creationism specifically. Though I will say a christian could possibly interpret god as something that was created with the natural universe rather than being the creator.

Like I said, all Christians are creationists by fundamental necessity:

Colossians 1:16 For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him.

If you do not believe in creation, then you are not a Christian.

If so, congratulations. Welcome to reality!

(April 3, 2013 at 5:19 pm)smax Wrote: ... and start focusing on our own shared humanity and the struggle we face to perserve it.

We have a long way to go, and Christianity is one of the bigger obstacles standing in the way.

It's never a good idea to advise others on how to hold a debate, especially if you lack the ability to identify Judao/Christian ideology poorly disguised as liberal-humanism.

What the hell is 'shared humanity' and what makes you think it's a good idea to 'preserve it'?

Christianity is alive and well and hiding under the rocks in your head.


MM

Debate is not really a good way to know whether Christianity is true or not, because the winner in the debate is the one who can persuade ignorant people the most. Debate success is all about popular appeal, it is like an election, it proves nothing.

Christianity is an intricate and deep philosophical system that was not made to win an election or a popularity contest, it was made to enlighten the earnest soul who will seek of it on its own terms.

That said, Richard Dawkins is a fool

Any of them, Stat. Any argument for which science has said "we haven't sufficient evidence for this" or "we have found evidence falsifying this claim" which believers continue to tout. God. Homeopathy. Ant-vax bullshittery.

In my opinion, it is silly for atheists to debate theists. In order to have a real debate, both sides need to present real evidence to support their positions. It is impossible for theists to present evidence, in fact the whole idea of their faith is to accept fantastic claims with no evidence whatsoever.