(April 5, 2013 at 12:14 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: self will is not in and of itself, sinful

I suppose that is true, but there is still a serious problem.

If sin is defined as "against the will of god", then by definition god cannot sin, regardless of any immoral acts he may commit.

(April 5, 2013 at 2:54 pm)Darkstar Wrote:

(April 5, 2013 at 12:14 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: self will is not in and of itself, sinful

I suppose that is true, but there is still a serious problem.

If sin is defined as "against the will of god", then by definition god cannot sin, regardless of any immoral acts he may commit.

if you think you are more moral than God, stop Him from killing you some day

(April 5, 2013 at 3:18 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: if you think you are more moral than God, stop Him from killing you some day

That's so sublime that I couldn't help but shed a tear. Well done, sir.

(April 5, 2013 at 3:18 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: if you think you are more moral than God, stop Him from killing you some day

What does that have to do with anything? I take it you are claiming that people who die of natural causes were killed by god, then?

(April 5, 2013 at 3:21 pm)Darkstar Wrote:

(April 5, 2013 at 3:18 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: if you think you are more moral than God, stop Him from killing you some day

What does that have to do with anything? I take it you are claiming that people who die of natural causes were killed by god, then?

life and death is the sole providence of God
it goes with the job description

(April 5, 2013 at 3:24 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: life and death is the sole providence of God
it goes with the job description

Neither life nor death require your god. They are 100% natural. No additives, no preservatives.

(April 5, 2013 at 3:24 pm)junkyardboy Wrote:

(April 5, 2013 at 3:21 pm)Darkstar Wrote: What does that have to do with anything? I take it you are claiming that people who die of natural causes were killed by god, then?

life and death is the sole providence of God
it goes with the job description

So, you believe that cancer and aids (amongst a vast array of other vile things) come from God? That is absolutely not true my friend. In the book of James chapter 1 verses 16-18, the Bible says this: "Do not be decieved, my beloved brethren. Every good gift and every perfect gift is from above, and comes down from the Father of lights, with whom there is no variation or shadow of turning. Of His own will He brought us forth by the word of truth, that we might be a kind of firstfruits of His creatures." All good things come from God. If bad things came from God, don't you think that He would have said that somewhere? An almighty God is not tempted by evil, and tempts no one. Temptation is a thing from Satan. Can anyone see that? These things come from Satan, the father of lies, not from God, the Father of lights. God gives us the opportunity to live a sin and disease free life, but it won't just happen. How do you expect to recieve something for which you have not asked or believed that you would recieve? I have seen miracles. There are divinely annointed healers on earth right now, as there always has been since Jesus' time. Research it!! The Bible is much more than just a book of stories, it is a guide, a roadmap, if you will, that will lead you down a path of love and realization that you cannot find anywhere else. If someone was to die of "natural causes", then it was simply his or her time. But diseases and illnesses, sickness and infection, those are unnatural and are in no way shape or form from above. Jesus said this (found in John 14:12-14),"Most assuredly I say unto you, he who believes in Me, the works that I do he will do also; and greater works than these he will do, because I go to My Father. And whatever you ask in My name, that I will do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. If you ask anything in My name, I will do it." That's pretty powerful for those of us who believe the Truth! Jesus said that we can do everything He did and greater things!! I firmly believe it too! This is after all a war, and in every war there are sides. And for those who may say, "If He's an all powerful God, then why doesn't He stop all the bloodshed, and fix all of our problems?!" I ask you how can you expect something that you do not believe in? How can you ask for God to save your relatives from cancer when you don't believe that He will??????????? Absolute and unerring faith is what's required to see the kingdom of Heaven! God will stop all of this in His time, not in ours. How do you think that God looks upon those who hate Him or don't believe in Him in their hearts? He does not look with favor, I can say that much for certain. And for those who say that He is unjust, how can you know what is just and unjust? How does any mortal person know of anything beyond their own desires, their own needs? Who are we to say that we know more than the all powerful Creator? When we come to know God, we die to the flesh, and we become reborn in the spirit. We die to sin. What's wrong with that? I don't care how good of a person anyone things he/she is, according to God's standards, we are all sinners until we come to Him and repent. In God's eyes, hatred is equal to murder, and lust is equal to adultery. Those standards are pretty high compared to ours, right? How can we live up to them? We can't. Not without His help. That's the point though... We need Him.

Unholy wall of nonsensical text.

(April 5, 2013 at 3:36 pm)Baalzebutt Wrote:

(April 5, 2013 at 3:24 pm)junkyardboy Wrote: life and death is the sole providence of God
it goes with the job description

Neither life nor death require your god. They are 100% natural. No additives, no preservatives.

So you think that diseases are natural? I'd say that cancer is not natural. It's certainly not a preservative, but it is definately an additive. I'd also say that malaria is not natural, nor aids, and certainly not diabetes or heart disease. Obesity is not natural. All of these things either lead to death or could... They aren't natural. So if I may ask, where do you get your information?

(April 6, 2013 at 3:34 am)Maelstrom Wrote: Unholy wall of nonsensical text.

If that wall of text is in your eyes unholy, then you believe that there is something that is holy?