Do I sin because of Adam?

[The Grand Nudger]

self will gives you the ability to oppose someone else's will

So...as I said? Not -because- but grants the ability.

remember the adage 'happy wife, happy life'?
be self willed and see how long your marriage lasts

My ex wife was very happy, and then very happily walked off with all my shit - for some reason that happiness didn't transfer to my life.

[junkyardboy]

My interpretation is strictly literal.

So if it is literal, then an omniscient god would know both that Satan would turn on him and that if he did, Satan would lead Adam and Eve to eat the fruit if they were not given an understanding of right and wrong. God knows what will be the result in every possible scenario depending on the starting conditions he creates, so why would he even create Satan if he knew this would happen? If god created Adam and Eve in a way that he knew how they would turn out, would he not have, at the very least indirectly, created their sinful nature?

they were created self willed as is God

[Darkstar]

So if it is literal, then an omniscient god would know both that Satan would turn on him and that if he did, Satan would lead Adam and Eve to eat the fruit if they were not given an understanding of right and wrong. God knows what will be the result in every possible scenario depending on the starting conditions he creates, so why would he even create Satan if he knew this would happen? If god created Adam and Eve in a way that he knew how they would turn out, would he not have, at the very least indirectly, created their sinful nature?

they were created self willed as is God

So god is sinful by nature? (Oh, wait, sin =/= bad, it's just what god doesn't want. So the fact that god is predisposed to doing bad things doesn't mean he is sinful.)

[Undeceived]

http://www.gotquestions.org/did-God-create-evil.html

[fr0d0]

Whatever the case maybe, whatever level of sin, how grey it is, it needs to be blameworthy to be a sin, and there had to be a chance of avoiding it...can we agree upon this much? (the conclusion necessarily follows from that)

Note: This doesn't state any sinless humans existed, it simply shows it's possible.

OK I agree that a sin has to be blame worthy. (I checked to see that I wasn't check mating myself there! )

[Mystic]

So then you contest the following premise Frodo?

If we can't avoid a sin, it would not be blameworthy.

[fr0d0]

My interpretation is strictly literal.

So if it is literal, then an omniscient god would know both that Satan would turn on him and that if he did, Satan would lead Adam and Eve to eat the fruit if they were not given an understanding of right and wrong. God knows what will be the result in every possible scenario depending on the starting conditions he creates, so why would he even create Satan if he knew this would happen? If god created Adam and Eve in a way that he knew how they would turn out, would he not have, at the very least indirectly, created their sinful nature?

Your literal isn't my literal I think.

By literal interpretation I mean the most exact meaning derived from parallel and original cultural references.

That literal interpretation very clearly points to a non literal intended meaning. (Literal as is commonly misrepresented, I believe)

Hope that makes sense, and apologies if I mislead you.

[The Grand Nudger]

Classic christian stuff, insisting upon special understandings of every word under the sun.

[fr0d0]

So then you contest the following premise Frodo?

If we can't avoid a sin, it would not be blameworthy.

Yes

You can avoid it

I forget the name of the OT character who went straight to heaven without dying. He was sinless.

If it's a choice then this has to be a possibility. I think you said that.

[The Grand Nudger]

Enoch and Elijah Frodo. Seems that gods curse just didn't have the juice for those two.
(nothing in there about why - including whether or not they were sinless..btw - that's your extra-biblical stuff...a reformed christian might actually call it heretical, un-belief)