|
When do we cross the line from 'animal' to 'person?'
|
 (April 6, 2013 at 8:45 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Bring a single other species that was able to develop something (habit) over history http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5wFMqeTun8 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-euMlL9O1Kc You can fix ignorance, you can't fix stupid. Tinkety Tonk and down with the Nazis. 
Person = rational soul. Morality/values applies, universal knowledge is achieved to one degree or another.
The Lord bless you and keep you; the Lord make his face to shine upon you and be gracious to you; the Lord lift up his countenance upon you and give you peace.
 (April 8, 2013 at 4:01 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:A whole range of social insects have found ways to modify their environment to their advantage. Termites are still the only creatures that operate air conditioning systems controlling both temperature and humidity without the need for an artificial power source.(April 6, 2013 at 8:45 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Bring a single other species that was able to develop something (habit) over history There are many creatures that perform what we would think of as intellectual tasks without the need for a complex brain. How do you think salmon find their way across thousands of miles of ocean to return to the stream of their birth in order to breed? Only by thinking in anthropomorphic terms can you postulate human superiority. Many species have already survived much longer than human beings and human beings are currently following a pattern, followed by other species before, which may well lead to their own extinction.  (April 9, 2013 at 4:08 am)GordonHide Wrote: A whole range of social insects have found ways to modify their environment to their advantage. Termites are still the only creatures that operate air conditioning systems controlling both temperature and humidity without the need for an artificial power source.Actually what you brought refutes (non-intelligent) evolution!!! Tell you how................... Salmon or Eels find their ways back to the same pond they were born, across seas even sometimes wet land or mud The method is not important but what is important is the data! The data of the position must come from an outside source, it cannot come from inside the animal That is a big difference between human and animals God guides animals by supplying them with this information on the other hand humans need to learn from (other humans) A non-intelligent evolution (if it ever happened) is impossible because those data need an external intelligent source (God) to feed them into the animal system/brain to utilize. RE: When do we cross the line from 'animal' to 'person?'
April 10, 2013 at 8:50 am
(This post was last modified: April 10, 2013 at 8:52 am by The Grand Nudger.)
Ah I see, so all living things are puppets. God provides flesh eating bacteria with the data they need to find their food source as well, I'm sure.
 The data that helps the salmon find their breeding grounds does come from an external source, unfortunately for your jokepost that external source does not need to be (and is not) any god.
I am the Infantry. I am my country’s strength in war, her deterrent in peace. I am the heart of the fight… wherever, whenever. I carry America’s faith and honor against her enemies. I am the Queen of Battle. I am what my country expects me to be, the best trained Soldier in the world. In the race for victory, I am swift, determined, and courageous, armed with a fierce will to win. Never will I fail my country’s trust. Always I fight on…through the foe, to the objective, to triumph overall. If necessary, I will fight to my death. By my steadfast courage, I have won more than 200 years of freedom. I yield not to weakness, to hunger, to cowardice, to fatigue, to superior odds, For I am mentally tough, physically strong, and morally straight. I forsake not, my country, my mission, my comrades, my sacred duty. I am relentless. I am always there, now and forever. I AM THE INFANTRY! FOLLOW ME!
 (April 10, 2013 at 5:04 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: The method is not important but what is important is the data!There is no evidence that God guides animals. Animals are guided, as we are to some extent, by instinct and perception. I don't know how salmon find there way back to the stream of their birth but I'm certain it's by natural means. In scientific terms there is no doubt that evolution by natural selection occurred. There is no requirement for gods in the process. Every animal that perceives its environment automatically has a constant stream of data with which it interacts. The data consists of perceived changes in their environmental conditions.  (April 10, 2013 at 8:50 am)Rhythm Wrote: The data that helps the salmon find their breeding grounds does come from an external source, unfortunately for your jokepost that external source does not need to be (and is not) any god. Did someone mention Salmon?   Can I haz soooome? 
Please give me a home where cloud buffalo roam
Where the dear and the strangers can play
Where sometimes is heard a discouraging word
But the skies are not stormy all day
Man still is a beast just grafted with technology and tools.
 Quote:GordonHide.............There is no evidence that God guides animals. Animals are guided, as we are to some extent, by instinct and perception. I don't know how salmon find there way back to the stream of their birth but I'm certain it's by natural means. In scientific terms there is no doubt that evolution by natural selection occurred. There is no requirement for gods in the process. So........who give the animals the instinct? Santa?  |
|
« Next Oldest | Next Newest »
|
