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RE: A challenge about women and marriage in Islam
April 17, 2013 at 5:37 am
(April 17, 2013 at 4:57 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: We are not discussing the concept of marriage
*Looks at thread title* 
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RE: A challenge about women and marriage in Islam
April 17, 2013 at 6:04 am
(April 17, 2013 at 5:37 am)Tonus Wrote: (April 17, 2013 at 4:57 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: We are not discussing the concept of marriage
*Looks at thread title* Do you mean that you prefer open sex without marriage
State your view
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RE: A challenge about women and marriage in Islam
April 17, 2013 at 6:33 am
(April 17, 2013 at 2:47 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I think most of you didn't understand the issue correct
Some of 9 years old boys or girls will want sex and do it (under any system or law)
What are the options?
Do sex with anybody, which can be another boy or girl
Regulate it by marriage
Obviously there are many problems (pregnancy, STD, abortion, emotional problems, etc.) when it is not regulated
Most rational humans will prefer marriage
then who will be more responsible, mature, financially suitable, etc.; another boy/girl or an older partner?
It is obvious that an older partner is more suitable; How much older?
We cannot draw a line for that, it is their acceptance that matter
In Mary Kay Letourneau Case, the woman had sex with a 13 years old boy and was imprisoned because of that, after her release they got married and had children
I think it is ridiculous that she was convicted by that relation
Under the Islamic system it is very easy, she will ask divorce from her ex then get married to the boy (man) after a judge approval.
I don't believe this is the norm but a system that allows for exception is much better than a system that puts restrictions against people wills.
That is why the Islamic system is better than any other system
Suggest any case (how rare is it) then you will find that Islam is suitable for it.
You're still thinking that we live in a world where most people have sex at the age of 9 which is ridiculous.
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RE: A challenge about women and marriage in Islam
April 17, 2013 at 6:36 am
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2013 at 6:36 am by Muslim Scholar.)
(April 17, 2013 at 6:33 am)paulpablo Wrote: You're still thinking that we live in a world where most people have sex at the age of 9 which is ridiculous. Either your are truly an idiot or acting like one!
It is not common, but can you propose a system that can deal with the situation?
None of you was able to propose something better or even close
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RE: A challenge about women and marriage in Islam
April 17, 2013 at 6:43 am
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2013 at 6:51 am by paulpablo.)
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RE: A challenge about women and marriage in Islam
April 17, 2013 at 6:51 am
(April 17, 2013 at 6:43 am)paulpablo Wrote: Forget about all these opinions for a moment, here's just a few videos of the actual ACTUAL realities of Islamic countries and what happens when you put these laws into place.
You're speaking as if these laws haven't been put into practice yet but when they do everything will be better. Islamic laws have been put into place in Islamic countries and guess what? They are easily corrupted laws and result in lots of children having sex with old men.
So these are a few of the opinions of people who actually have to live under these laws which you support.
I can EEEEASILY find more of these videos they are very common, but I doubt you will even watch these. Young women having sex with old men, what is the problem about that?
If she doesn't agree, she can ask divorce
Islamic marriage is not like Christian one (it is not forever), it is a contract based on agreement and subject to conditions and terms
Any party can break marriage by divorce at any time
I don't see what is the harm done on girls?
P.S. I cannot see videos at my office.
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RE: A challenge about women and marriage in Islam
April 17, 2013 at 6:56 am
(This post was last modified: April 17, 2013 at 7:44 am by paulpablo.)
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RE: A challenge about women and marriage in Islam
April 17, 2013 at 11:14 am
(April 17, 2013 at 6:36 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Either your are truly an idiot or acting like one!
*You're
Generally it's a good idea to use correct grammar when calling someone else an idiot...
Do carry on 
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RE: A challenge about women and marriage in Islam
April 17, 2013 at 11:19 am
(April 17, 2013 at 6:04 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Do you mean that you prefer open sex without marriage
Hell yeah! 
When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
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RE: A challenge about women and marriage in Islam
April 17, 2013 at 11:24 am
(April 17, 2013 at 6:51 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Young women having sex with old men, what is the problem about that?
If she doesn't agree, she can ask divorce
Islamic marriage is not like Christian one (it is not forever), it is a contract based on agreement and subject to conditions and terms
Any party can break marriage by divorce at any time
I don't see what is the harm done on girls?
P.S. I cannot see videos at my office.
Your ignorance of your own religion is amazing. It leads me to believe that you are actually a christian or atheist troll getting his kicks. Any party can most certainly not break the contract of marriage at any time. Men can break it at any time, but women have to go through a long and arduous process in order to get a divorce. This is both textual and more importantly what actually happens in the Muslim world.
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