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AF Hall of Shame (Theist edition)
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H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
That's a bastardisation of the text by you Missy C. Nothing more.
You have not shown how you know what God knows... that these humans didn't deserve this severe judgement. Please share.  (May 13, 2013 at 6:12 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You have not shown how you know what God knows... that these humans didn't deserve this severe judgement. Please share. Free will. If a human is murdered, because God knows that (s)he will rise up to be his enemy, it's a preemptive strike. But then all the talk about free will is bullshit, since the human now will never have the chance to redeem himself/herself. When I was young, there was a god with infinite power protecting me. Is there anyone else who felt that way? And was sure about it? but the first time I fell in love, I was thrown down - or maybe I broke free - and I bade farewell to God and became human. Now I don't have God's protection, and I walk on the ground without wings, but I don't regret this hardship. I want to live as a person. -Arina Tanemura
You're asking an atheist how I would know what god knows. Just fyi.
Secondly it comes back round to free will, friend. He took theirs away. If you can't see the non sequiter in that then I can't help you. And why do you keep throwing out the word bastardization at me? What did I do all I did was use the reasoning and logic part of my brain that your god supposedly gave me, and concluded that your god is a murderer based on his own words condemning his own actions. No backflips needed.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite. Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment. Quote:Some people deserve hell. I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong. ![[Image: tumblr_n1j4lmACk61qchtw3o1_500.gif]](https://66.media.tumblr.com/5fb74c6d16622fb3dbb358509c9aec03/tumblr_n1j4lmACk61qchtw3o1_500.gif)
 (May 13, 2013 at 6:02 pm)pocaracas Wrote: However, we have no such "good definition", do we? "The nice thing about standards is there's so many of them to choose from." ![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg)
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe RE: AF Hall of Shame (Theist edition)
May 13, 2013 at 6:23 pm
(This post was last modified: May 13, 2013 at 6:25 pm by fr0d0.)
(May 13, 2013 at 6:15 pm)Kayenneh Wrote:(May 13, 2013 at 6:12 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: You have not shown how you know what God knows... that these humans didn't deserve this severe judgement. Please share. There is no free will. That isn't scriptural. We are free agents to do as our will dictates. Since God knows how our lives play out, God is in a position to judge that life at any point, including conception. How couldn't he? (May 13, 2013 at 6:18 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: You're asking an atheist how I would know what god knows. Just fyi. 1. Your understanding is incorrect. 2. Because that's what you repeatedly do: bastardise the text.
If there's no free will then by default you are claiming predestination. In which case god knows who will and wont enter heaven, god knew that the 'fall' would occur and set it up like that, god did intend for humans to go to hell since he knew when he created it that they would, and god created beings specifically to go to hell since he knew what most of them would choose. which flies in the face of him creating mankind to have the choice to live eternity as his companions. If he knows who will and wont choose him then this entire system is fucked and there was no reason for it. Or at the very least he's using countless souls to refine and identify those few who choose him then throw the rest of us out into eternal whatever you want to call it. I call it hell like the Bible. Personally I would rather never be created or create something knowing that eternal hell is the result.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite. Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment. Quote:Some people deserve hell. I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
H0ary H0bbit Religious Views: “Never to suffer would never to have been blessed.” - Edgar Allan Poe
Eternal heaven is the result as I understand it MC.
Bastardization? Really? How am I corrupting these texts? Please feel free to explain because frankly its quite simple. God says babies are innocents. God says killing innocents is murder. God killed innocents. Fact fact fact based on your texts, all three. It looks like rather you are dissatisfied with my conclusion that your god committed murder.
If I were to create self aware beings knowing fully what they would do in their lifetimes, I sure wouldn't create a HELL for the majority of them to live in infinitely! That's not Love, that's sadistic. Therefore a truly loving god does not exist!
Quote:The sin is against an infinite being (God) unforgiven infinitely, therefore the punishment is infinite. Dead wrong. The actions of a finite being measured against an infinite one are infinitesimal and therefore merit infinitesimal punishment. Quote:Some people deserve hell. I say again: No exceptions. Punishment should be equal to the crime, not in excess of it. As soon as the punishment is greater than the crime, the punisher is in the wrong.
 (May 13, 2013 at 6:23 pm)fr0d0 Wrote: There is no free will. That isn't scriptural. We are free agents to do as our will dictates. Then what's the point of the test, a.k.a. life? Isn't the whole point of existence to make a choice to be with or without god? If god knows how everyone will turn out, what's the point of the whole charade?
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
RE: AF Hall of Shame (Theist edition)
May 13, 2013 at 7:31 pm
(This post was last modified: May 13, 2013 at 7:32 pm by The Grand Nudger.)
Since when did something being scriptural (or not) have any bearing on an observation of reality? If there isn't any free will, you're going to need a better reason than "it isn't scriptural".
Of course you're also going to have to have a pow wow with all your free will brothers in christ on this one - I need to know which ones of you are the nutters.
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