(May 21, 2013 at 12:27 pm)Drich Wrote:

(May 21, 2013 at 8:41 am)pocaracas Wrote: Before you, I had never heard of hell doing that...
How did you come across such wondrous knowledge about the afterdeath?

The bible teach.
(Say it again In you best Mr. Miagi/Pat Morita not Jackie Chan voice)

More specifically Jesus Teach in Mat 10: 28 “Don’t be afraid of people. They can kill the body, but they cannot kill the soul. The only one you should fear is God, the one who can send the body and the soul to be destroyed in hell.

The body being refered to is the resurected/eternal body you will receive just before your judgement. This body and the soul it contains will be cast into Hell to be destroyed/killed the word in the greek is: ἀπόλλυμι apollymi it means to kill or obliterate. as apposed to:ἀποκτείνω/apokteinō which is translated kill. As one who can Kill or ἀποκτείνω/apokteinō (Inflict a mortal death) to the body.

ah... right on cue!
Can you explain again why we should take the word of the bible on this (or on anything)?

(May 21, 2013 at 1:22 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(May 21, 2013 at 12:27 pm)Drich Wrote: The bible teach.
(Say it again In you best Mr. Miagi/Pat Morita not Jackie Chan voice)

More specifically Jesus Teach in Mat 10: 28 “Don’t be afraid of people. They can kill the body, but they cannot kill the soul. The only one you should fear is God, the one who can send the body and the soul to be destroyed in hell.

The body being refered to is the resurected/eternal body you will receive just before your judgement. This body and the soul it contains will be cast into Hell to be destroyed/killed the word in the greek is: ἀπόλλυμι apollymi it means to kill or obliterate. as apposed to:ἀποκτείνω/apokteinō which is translated kill. As one who can Kill or ἀποκτείνω/apokteinō (Inflict a mortal death) to the body.

ah... right on cue!
Can you explain again why we should take the word of the bible on this (or on anything)?

And surely god could destroy these (fictional) souls without causing suffering if it wanted. Isn't it supposed to be all powerful?

(May 21, 2013 at 1:24 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote:

(May 21, 2013 at 1:22 pm)pocaracas Wrote: ah... right on cue!
Can you explain again why we should take the word of the bible on this (or on anything)?

And surely god could destroy these (fictional) souls without causing suffering if it wanted. Isn't it supposed to be all powerful?

Who says He does want these a holes to suffer?

I think suffering is the point. For through suffering comes wisdom and understanding. (As fleeing as it maybe.) It was my experience that one quickly comes to understand who God is, what was being offered, and the acceptance of my refusal and all that it truly meant. I also understood the depth and scope of what an eternity of this suffering would mean. (The loss or consumption of my sanity to Hell fire.)

Remember God owes the Dammed nothing. (This includes mercy.) Even though I believe we will eventually receive mercy in the way of surcuming to Hell fire and being consumed by it. This may take a few seconds or it may take millions of years. I believe our time in Hell is based on how wicked and hard our hearts are.

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(May 21, 2013 at 1:22 pm)pocaracas Wrote:

(May 21, 2013 at 12:27 pm)Drich Wrote: The bible teach.
(Say it again In you best Mr. Miagi/Pat Morita not Jackie Chan voice)

More specifically Jesus Teach in Mat 10: 28 “Don’t be afraid of people. They can kill the body, but they cannot kill the soul. The only one you should fear is God, the one who can send the body and the soul to be destroyed in hell.

The body being refered to is the resurected/eternal body you will receive just before your judgement. This body and the soul it contains will be cast into Hell to be destroyed/killed the word in the greek is: ἀπόλλυμι apollymi it means to kill or obliterate. as apposed to:ἀποκτείνω/apokteinō which is translated kill. As one who can Kill or ἀποκτείνω/apokteinō (Inflict a mortal death) to the body.

ah... right on cue!
Can you explain again why we should take the word of the bible on this (or on anything)?

I cant no. But God can, all you have to do is A/S/K.. Or don't it all on you.

(May 22, 2013 at 1:46 am)Drich Wrote:

(May 21, 2013 at 1:22 pm)pocaracas Wrote: ah... right on cue!
Can you explain again why we should take the word of the bible on this (or on anything)?

I cant no. But God can, all you have to do is A/S/K.. Or don't it all on you.

Do I have to tell you, again, the inherent problem with the A/S/K method?

(May 22, 2013 at 6:16 am)pocaracas Wrote:

(May 22, 2013 at 1:46 am)Drich Wrote: I cant no. But God can, all you have to do is A/S/K.. Or don't it all on you.

Do I have to tell you, again, the inherent problem with the A/S/K method?

Talk to the one who implimented it. The only thing I can tell you is that it works.

Precisely the problem, whole lot of telling, not an ounce of showing.

(May 22, 2013 at 7:45 am)Drich Wrote:

(May 22, 2013 at 6:16 am)pocaracas Wrote: Do I have to tell you, again, the inherent problem with the A/S/K method?

Talk to the one who implimented it. The only thing I can tell you is that it works.

The guy is dead... can' talk to him.
Though, in all fairness, I have to tip my hat to his ingenuity on how to get people to self-manipulate.

But I can talk to those people who still fall for it.

You claim that it works.
It works in your mind, to your eye, to you.
It is indistinguishable from you convinced yourself that it works.
It is indistinguishable from being brainwashed.
It is indistinguishable from it's all in your head.
It is indistinguishable from someone made it up and you fell for it.

And, of course, it has no substantiating evidence, except for your saying so.
You fell for it... so deeply, so profoundly that you are incapable of stepping back and seeing it for what it is.
An idea that was planted long ago, took root in your mind and now you want to spread it to other minds.

Not my mind!
Knowing all of this, why would I subject myself to such self-brainwashing?
Would it ever work, given my awareness of what it is?

I think you give far too much credit. I don't afford the statements he's so fond of making any credibility whatsoever. You assume he's managed to convince himself, I don't think that this is so.

(May 22, 2013 at 8:58 am)Rhythm Wrote: I think you give far too much credit. I don't afford the statements he's so fond of making any credibility whatsoever. You assume he's managed to convince himself, I don't think that this is so.

So... you're saying that he knows very well what he's doing?

(May 22, 2013 at 8:53 am)pocaracas Wrote: The guy is dead... can' talk to him.

Actually you can.

Quote:You claim that it works.
It works in your mind, to your eye, to you.
It is indistinguishable from you convinced yourself that it works.
It is indistinguishable from being brainwashed.
It is indistinguishable from it's all in your head.
It is indistinguishable from someone made it up and you fell for it.

Because my life is a testament to who well A/S/K works.

God took an illiterate, taught him how to read and comperhend the written word where 12 years of grammer school failed. From there He opened his mind and heart to precepts and understanding that span the bible and on into being able to answer all of his own question about God, life and our purpose here. That developed into help others with their own questions, which rolled into an on line ministry for 5 years of answering christian questions, and a year and 1/2 of defending the faith from all takers ranging from doctors and lawyers to an oxford professor, to doo-mases who just hate because God has not granted them their wishes. To having a paper researched for publication on an orgins account that encorprates genesis and evolution seemlessly.

Not to mention what He has done in my marriage life, and the sucess I have been given in my company. (which is poised to be bought out, and I am to take a job as an exectuive/engneer, shortly after the project i am currently working on goes to market later this year.)

I know there is a God. Not because of my sucesses, but because of how deep and complete my failures have been. I am constantly reminded of my short commings and how quickly everything I have can be lost. why? Because none of what I have is because I earned or deserved any of it. It was literally given to me, and I am just a steward of God's gifts nothing more. No God= No gifts. No gifts= Drich dead a long long time ago.

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(May 22, 2013 at 8:58 am)Rhythm Wrote: I think you give far too much credit. I don't afford the statements he's so fond of making any credibility whatsoever. You assume he's managed to convince himself, I don't think that this is so.

Based on what?

Based on the singular idea that your world view (there is no God) HAS to be correct?

What if your wrong? What if God will not give you anything because you are too proud to ask for it?