(May 31, 2013 at 3:09 am)dazzn Wrote:

(May 31, 2013 at 2:40 am)cato123 Wrote: Dumb cunt. Of course I know the difference. The difference in meaning and the similarity in spelling and pronounciation of the two words was the entire 'unspoken' basis for my previous comment. Alas, I suppose you would have understood this if you had not prevented yourself from acquiring 'normal knowledge'.

My offer to help in this regard still stands.

lol. screw you and your homo fantasies. if you live in london, well it's a gay hub. enjoy!

Cato's a woman?! hock:

... I never knew... 0.0'

Welp: that should accelerate your acquisition of normal knowledge spectacularly. No better way for a woman to learn than from a woman

(May 30, 2013 at 5:52 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: ...I don't know what you found so funny about any of this stuff. When your opinions are intellectually challenged, and you lack intelligible response, is laughter via text your digital defense mechanism?

(May 31, 2013 at 1:04 am)dazzn Wrote: No, a mannerism. somebody as ostensibly learned as you must comprehend the existence of mannerisms.

You have a defense mannerism?...Nevermind. I'm actually going to help you out here in a minute becuase I can see a case for your statements, but if you could refrain from insulting these kind people unnecessarily, it would certainly improve my odds for selling your case. If I put words in your mouth, then please correct me, but I think I see a disconnect between the verbage you used and your intended message, which for me, happens a lot.

(May 31, 2013 at 1:04 am)dazzn Wrote: So kindly prove that the masses here are not sociopaths.

If you are going to say something, you should stand by it and defend it with logic. Appealing to athesits to go along with any majority will not grant your claims credence among this crowd. If you are an Atheist, and i'm not sure if you've said that you are, it would be wise to uderstand why these things are so important. That being said, if you have any questions as to why I've given this advice, then don't hesitate to ask. Cheers.

(May 12, 2013 at 9:13 am)dazzn Wrote: I am black, and even in some part descended from slaves.

For this reason, I find your perspective interesting. You later specify a specific case of slavery, and your opinion of it intrigues me, given your heritage and your relation to the specific topic of slavery you are referring to.

(May 12, 2013 at 9:13 am)dazzn Wrote: However, I will say this. I don't give a shit about "slavery".

When reading this sentence, I anticipated some uproar due to the apparent insensitive nature of its construction. I think you were misunderstood, and when attacked, my guess is that you instinctively went in to defending yourself, rather than justify this statement. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I thought what you were trying to say was:

You don't cling to the historical event of slavery as it did not effect you personally, and you find no need to cling to it as justification for a debt owed to you for the same reason. I did not feel that you were condoning it. Is this a fair interpretation?

(May 12, 2013 at 9:13 am)dazzn Wrote: Human beings are cruel. Get over it. We're a savage species at our root.

So, to me, after you stated your opinion towards choosing not to implicate yourself in a historical event that did not directly involve you personally when it occurred, I think this statement was made to draw attention to the pattern of cruel behavior that human beings have been historically capable of, and you were implying that future behavior will inevitably follow, and this may be a stretch, but I did not think you were exonerating the responsibility of others to avoid such acts of cruelty in the future, instead, you seemed to be implying the need to concern oneself with one's own actions rather than seeking undeserved retribution from others of the human race that have shown to be capable of such terrible acts of cruelty?...and that if you do expect such retribution, it would be naive to anticipate positive results, given the track record?

(May 12, 2013 at 9:13 am)dazzn Wrote: Just a cursory glance at how we behave lends to this.

More emphasis on the track record in support of your case...

(May 12, 2013 at 9:13 am)dazzn Wrote: Most blacks who claim to hate whites over slavery are total hypocrites.

I see no need to couch this claim with the word "some". By definition, they are all hypocrites if they meet the prefacing criteria.

(May 12, 2013 at 9:13 am)dazzn Wrote: If racism is bad, then it cannot be used to serve your own agenda. If something is deemed wrong, it cannot be right when YOU use it.

A valid point and rationally inferred.

(May 12, 2013 at 9:13 am)dazzn Wrote: What does being angry do exactly? Will your anger travel back in time to 1750 or whenever, unshackle your ancestor on the slave ship and send him or her back to Africa?

Here you make reference to a specific instance of slavery. You are not speaking about slavery over-all, but a specific historical period and the events within that period. When you ask what being angry does, it brings attention to the fact that there is no longer an active perpetrator to direct your anger toward and then you suggest absurdities to illustrate that consolation for the acts in question can not be attained as they have long since transpired. Is this fair?

I sense anger in the post, and perhaps that anger can lead a reader to make assumptions on your position. You were then forced into the ring to fight a battle of morality, but your OP seemed to be more about letting go of the past, and not so much an attempt to establish a moral paradigm. If this is a fair assessment of your post, I think it may be wise for you to gather your thoughts, and construct a more accurate representation of your views on morality in a separate thread, so that you may have more carefully constructed ideas to defend, rather than a misunderstood post about vindictive behavior.

(May 30, 2013 at 4:01 pm)dazzn Wrote: lol.. people are cruel, hence why cruel actions take place.

And people are kind, hence why kind actions take place.

At the risk of repeating something, because I'm lazy and only made it to the third page:

I would hazard the guess that the blacks who piss and moan about slavery still fall into several categories. Some cite slavery as an example for certain ills still perpetuated in society today - many legitimate complaints.

Some do it because they're fucking lazy human beings. That has nothing to do with race. I see plenty of white bastards hanging around down here complaining that niggers and spics took their jobs. If you're the kind of person who'd rather complain, you'll find any reason you can to justify being a lazy bitch.

Some people do it because without the history their people went through, they'd lose their sense of worth. Some months ago, a friend forwarded me an article in which a bunch of descendants of Holocaust survivors were trying to 'prove' that physical trauma can be genetically transmitted through your children into a propensity for depression and other problems. It's complete bunk, and nothing more than the next Jewish attempt to feel like some sort of special collection of people.

There comes a point when the perpetrators and the victims of atrocities have all died, and it's time to move forward understanding that what happened should never be repeated. I think the concept of reparations going to descendants rather than the actual victims is more than ridiculous.

I won't get into the discussion about slavery still going on, since I think the OP was mostly about slavery here in America as pertains to blacks.

(May 31, 2013 at 8:48 am)Texas Sailor Wrote:

(May 12, 2013 at 9:13 am)dazzn Wrote: I am black, and even in some part descended from slaves.

For this reason, I find your perspective interesting. You later specify a specific case of slavery, and your opinion of it intrigues me, given your heritage and your relation to the specific topic of slavery you are referring to.

(May 12, 2013 at 9:13 am)dazzn Wrote: However, I will say this. I don't give a shit about "slavery".

When reading this sentence, I anticipated some uproar due to the apparent insensitive nature of its construction. I think you were misunderstood, and when attacked, my guess is that you instinctively went in to defending yourself, rather than justify this statement. Correct me if i'm wrong, but I thought what you were trying to say was:

You don't cling to the historical event of slavery as it did not effect you personally, and you find no need to cling to it as justification for a debt owed to you for the same reason. I did not feel that you were condoning it. Is this a fair interpretation?

(May 12, 2013 at 9:13 am)dazzn Wrote: Human beings are cruel. Get over it. We're a savage species at our root.

So, to me, after you stated your opinion towards choosing not to implicate yourself in a historical event that did not directly involve you personally when it occurred, I think this statement was made to draw attention to the pattern of cruel behavior that human beings have been historically capable of, and you were implying that future behavior will inevitably follow, and this may be a stretch, but I did not think you were exonerating the responsibility of others to avoid such acts of cruelty in the future, instead, you seemed to be implying the need to concern oneself with one's own actions rather than seeking undeserved retribution from others of the human race that have shown to be capable of such terrible acts of cruelty?...and that if you do expect such retribution, it would be naive to anticipate positive results, given the track record?

(May 12, 2013 at 9:13 am)dazzn Wrote: Just a cursory glance at how we behave lends to this.

More emphasis on the track record in support of your case...

(May 12, 2013 at 9:13 am)dazzn Wrote: Most blacks who claim to hate whites over slavery are total hypocrites.

I see no need to couch this claim with the word "some". By definition, they are all hypocrites if they meet the prefacing criteria.

(May 12, 2013 at 9:13 am)dazzn Wrote: If racism is bad, then it cannot be used to serve your own agenda. If something is deemed wrong, it cannot be right when YOU use it.

A valid point and rationally inferred.

(May 12, 2013 at 9:13 am)dazzn Wrote: What does being angry do exactly? Will your anger travel back in time to 1750 or whenever, unshackle your ancestor on the slave ship and send him or her back to Africa?

Here you make reference to a specific instance of slavery. You are not speaking about slavery over-all, but a specific historical period and the events within that period. When you ask what being angry does, it brings attention to the fact that there is no longer an active perpetrator to direct your anger toward and then you suggest absurdities to illustrate that consolation for the acts in question can not be attained as they have long since transpired. Is this fair?

I sense anger in the post, and perhaps that anger can lead a reader to make assumptions on your position. You were then forced into the ring to fight a battle of morality, but your OP seemed to be more about letting go of the past, and not so much an attempt to establish a moral paradigm. If this is a fair assessment of your post, I think it may be wise for you to gather your thoughts, and construct a more accurate representation of your views on morality in a separate thread, so that you may have more carefully constructed ideas to defend, rather than a misunderstood post about vindictive behavior.

People contradict. And? So what about my "ancestry"?

And yes, I don't give a shit about slavery. Is there a reason why I should? And humans are cruel. Do you dispute this? Cruel actions occur all the time. Look at the horrors in Syria or other places. Don't be soured to reality.

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(May 31, 2013 at 11:14 am)thesummerqueen Wrote: At the risk of repeating something, because I'm lazy and only made it to the third page:

I would hazard the guess that the blacks who piss and moan about slavery still fall into several categories. Some cite slavery as an example for certain ills still perpetuated in society today - many legitimate complaints.

Some do it because they're fucking lazy human beings. That has nothing to do with race. I see plenty of white bastards hanging around down here complaining that niggers and spics took their jobs. If you're the kind of person who'd rather complain, you'll find any reason you can to justify being a lazy bitch.

Some people do it because without the history their people went through, they'd lose their sense of worth. Some months ago, a friend forwarded me an article in which a bunch of descendants of Holocaust survivors were trying to 'prove' that physical trauma can be genetically transmitted through your children into a propensity for depression and other problems. It's complete bunk, and nothing more than the next Jewish attempt to feel like some sort of special collection of people.

There comes a point when the perpetrators and the victims of atrocities have all died, and it's time to move forward understanding that what happened should never be repeated. I think the concept of reparations going to descendants rather than the actual victims is more than ridiculous.

I won't get into the discussion about slavery still going on, since I think the OP was mostly about slavery here in America as pertains to blacks.

So if people are losers who cannot help themselves, so be it.

(June 1, 2013 at 11:25 am)dazzn Wrote: People contradict. And? So what about my "ancestry"?

When you say "ancestry", you mean history of ownership right?
What about your ancestors? Are they the ones who sold their own into slavery or were they simply too inferior compared to rival tribes?
If I believed in morals, I'd say that the ones who did the selling are worse than the buyers.

dazzn, do you hate blacks for what they did?

Sadly, I don't believe it is the slavery itself that is bothering the black people. I see it as a way of getting away with priorities. (No offense)

Of course I'm not to generalize but the vast majority of those who actually whine about this are doing it for that purpose. Then, there may be some sensitive blacks, just like all other humans.

(June 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm)catfish Wrote:

(June 1, 2013 at 11:25 am)dazzn Wrote: People contradict. And? So what about my "ancestry"?

When you say "ancestry", you mean history of ownership right?
What about your ancestors? Are they the ones who sold their own into slavery or were they simply too inferior compared to rival tribes?
If I believed in morals, I'd say that the ones who did the selling are worse than the buyers.

dazzn, do you hate blacks for what they did?

You may hate yourself, but I don't.

As for my ancestors, well as morals are transitory, then it lends to the actions of people centuries ago being morally correct. Or we at least we cannot objectively condemn them.

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(May 31, 2013 at 10:20 am)Mister Agenda Wrote:

(May 30, 2013 at 4:01 pm)dazzn Wrote: lol.. people are cruel, hence why cruel actions take place.

And people are kind, hence why kind actions take place.

OK, so morals are subjective, but we should never allow slavery to occur again?

Don't worry, most are contradictory.

(June 1, 2013 at 5:48 pm)dazzn Wrote:

(June 1, 2013 at 4:07 pm)catfish Wrote: When you say "ancestry", you mean history of ownership right?
What about your ancestors? Are they the ones who sold their own into slavery or were they simply too inferior compared to rival tribes?
If I believed in morals, I'd say that the ones who did the selling are worse than the buyers.

dazzn, do you hate blacks for what they did?

You may hate yourself, but I don't.

So you hate yourself, gotcha...

(June 1, 2013 at 5:48 pm)dazzn Wrote: As for my ancestors, well as morals are transitory, then it lends to the actions of people centuries ago being morally correct. Or we at least we cannot objectively condemn them.

(this is your only example where you actually contradict yourself)