(May 28, 2013 at 2:51 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: The existence of an external source of data

Eels

Their life cycle is amazing

Eels travel with the Gulf Stream across the ocean and, after one to three years, they recruit to coastal areas they migrate up rivers and streams, overcoming all sorts of natural challenges — sometimes by piling up their bodies by the tens of thousands to climb over obstacles — and they reach even the smallest of creeks.
They can move themselves over wet grass and dig through wet sand to reach upstream headwaters and ponds.

They make a journey of 6,000 km back to the same pond they were born!

Our concern is not about how they make it (it is unknown till now)
Whichever the method that they use, it will need external data about the location (and route) to take

This external source must be intelligent and have a purpose to send this data to eels

GOD

Seriously, drop it. Holy books are not science textbooks and no one ever has had any lick of evidence of any god or gods. The deer gods of the caves were the work of human imagination. The virgins sacrificed to volcano gods, were done in futility based on human imagination. The Egyptians falsely for 3.000 years thought the sun was a god. Neither you, or Christians or Jews, or any form of polytheism have any patent on science. Religion is a human invention, not a scientific tool.

Science is not Jesus based or Allah based or Vishnu based, get over it.

(June 12, 2013 at 7:56 am)Brian37 Wrote: Seriously, drop it. Holy books are not science textbooks and no one ever has had any lick of evidence of any god or gods.

I already proved God existence without referring to any text book!

Quote:Science is not Jesus based or Allah based or Vishnu based, get over it.

it isn't; but Islam is almost the only religion that supported science;
Also Quran is supported by many scientific facts that cannot be known by Mohamed or any human living at his time.

Those quranic. Scientific facts have all been disproved...mountains are not pegs for d earth nd stars are not lamps in d tent of d sky.d quran repeatedly talks of Allah spreading out d earth ..a clear reference to a flat earth..MS stop dreaming.

(June 12, 2013 at 8:17 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I already proved God existence without referring to any text book!

Turtles all the way down. As has been repeatedly pointed out to you (in every thread you've made the claim and the thread the claim originates from) - you failed dismally.

Quote:it isn't; but Islam is almost the only religion that supported science;
Also Quran is supported by many scientific facts that cannot be known by Mohamed or any human living at his time.

Every religion has hitched it's wagon to the science of the time - or not, or both simultaneously. Your religion is in no way unique. A copy, of a copy, gratz. There is nothing in your ghost story that was not known at the time - and those places where they "got it wrong" are the same places that everyone else got it wrong, for the time period the knowledge was lifted from. Pretty sure this has already been explained to you.

(June 12, 2013 at 8:17 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: I already proved God existence without referring to any text book!

Instead, you took the much more intellectually-stimulating route of proving God's existence by referring only to shit you made up by yourself.

In meaningful human time, we can breed different types of dogs with different instincts. Sheepdogs with an instinct to round up animals, Pointers with an instince to point, Retrievers with an instinct to retrieve. Instincts that they were born with. Instincts that are inheritable. Instincts that are genetic. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2253978/

And MS, I've noticed you're confused by poetically descriptive language. We know the little eel isn't taking all of the factors described into consideration. They are just selection pressures that led to the eel instinctively returning to its spawning grounds to mate. Eel behavior is almost entirely instinctive; they do what their genes have programmed them to do. That an eel comes with what it needs to find is not fundamentally more mysterious than the fact that a dog can be bred to point at quail.

(June 12, 2013 at 7:45 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: They have also every point they were during every second of their lives.
What triggered them to make that point so special????

It was the point they were spawned at. Literally the first point the magnetite particles in their brains were ever exposed to. Given that it's an instinctive reaction, they'd just record that point as "Safe."

Quote:It depends on the environment and number and power of predators, etc.

Of course, but that doesn't alter my point; if the environmental factors and predators are enough to kill a baby eel... then there's no adult eel to need to go back to spawn. If they aren't enough to kill a baby eel, then then they aren't enough to kill a baby eel.

Quote:LOL Did they read that in the news or what

No, but they did, y'know, survive there. They don't have to learn about it, it happened to them. Do I have to explain how memory works to you, now?

Quote:Do you really believe this BS?

Fun fact: mockery isn't a rebuttal.

But also, do I believe that eels that spawn in dangerous locations such as to kill eel babies don't have a continuous genetic lineage on account of having their offspring killed? Yes, I do. Don't you?

Do I believe that eels whose offspring do survive do have a continuous lineage because they survive? Yes, why wouldn't I?

Do I believe in the demonstrable fact that eels have magnetite in their brains, and that those eels use magnetism to navigate, something that's also been demonstrated through experiments? Yes. Because it's demonstrable.

It's funny that all you can do, in the face of the real, documented facts I present that you have no rebuttal to, nor demonstrable proof of your opinion, is to snort in derision. And don't you find it odd that the "BS" that I subscribe to is not only entirely logical, but scientifically demonstrated at every point in the process, yet your supposedly inspired truth is based on an argument from ignorance about eels that's been disputed from the get go, and your demands that we take you seriously... just 'cause.

Give up already. This is getting tiresome.

(June 13, 2013 at 12:11 am)Esquilax Wrote: It was the point they were spawned at. Literally the first point the magnetite particles in their brains were ever exposed to. Given that it's an instinctive reaction, they'd just record that point as "Safe."

Where did they get the word "Safe" and from where did they know how to record Geo points?

Quote:No, but they did, y'know, survive there. They don't have to learn about it, it happened to them. Do I have to explain how memory works to you, now?

do you mean that Eel went every where, and by chance the ones that came back to their original places just survived?

Quote:Do I believe in the demonstrable fact that eels have magnetite in their brains, and that those eels use magnetism to navigate, something that's also been demonstrated through experiments? Yes. Because it's demonstrable.

Yes, but my point is that they need some extra external info

No, they do not need external information you keep claiming about! So, you need external information for everything? Well, I give the external information on "Breathing is BAD". So, stop it!

(June 19, 2013 at 9:21 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Yes, but my point is that they need some extra external info

Which comes from the earth's magnetic field.

Or are you now going to argue that birds flying south for the winter is also proof of intelligent design?