(June 19, 2013 at 9:21 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: Where did they get the word "Safe" and from where did they know how to record Geo points?

I am hoping, really, truly I am, that you don't actually believe the eels speak english and know the word "safe." Given the intellectual paucity of your previous posts I can't ever make assumptions about the idiotic things you'll believe, however.

Beyond that, how do you know to beat your heart? You didn't die in infancy, so it has to have happened; the truth, if you'd bother to think, is that organisms have a variety of automatic processes that occur in them to keep them alive. Eels just have one extra, with regards to their magnetic sense. Hell, it doesn't even have to be an alterable thing, it could be a one time deal, a permanent magnetic recording of the point that they were born at.

Quote:do you mean that Eel went every where, and by chance the ones that came back to their original places just survived?

I'm saying the instinct to return to the place of one's birth was cultivated in the eels through natural selection, since those that had that instinct survived at greater rates for returning to a place they could confirm as safe for them. On an individual level I'm sure there's some eels that went off to other places, perhaps some of them even survived, but not in sufficient numbers. And there's no chance about it; if you've been to your living room, you know that you can survive in your living room. What I'm saying is that those eels, by dint of being born in a specific area and surviving there, are evidence of the fact that baby eels can survive in that area. Therefore, spawning there provides a good chance of their own offspring surviving there too.

Quote:Yes, but my point is that they need some extra external info

Yes, the earth's magnetic field. Now, if you want to assert that a god had to be involved too, you'd need to provide actual demonstrable evidence, equivalent to the data that scientists have produced on the topic of navigation by magnetism.

Bald assertions need not be produced; they will be dismissed out of hand.

(June 12, 2013 at 8:17 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote:

(June 12, 2013 at 7:56 am)Brian37 Wrote: Seriously, drop it. Holy books are not science textbooks and no one ever has had any lick of evidence of any god or gods.

I already proved God existence without referring to any text book!

Quote:Science is not Jesus based or Allah based or Vishnu based, get over it.

it isn't; but Islam is almost the only religion that supported science

Well that is not true at all. It is true that Arab culture has brought us many things, such as early observational astronomy and certain maths. It is also true that the Catholic Church, for instance, past and present, has spent a lot of money on scientific research (particularly medical research), and continues to do so, despite their early denial of Galileo's work. Ever hear of the Vatican observatory?

(June 19, 2013 at 7:55 pm)Esquilax Wrote: Beyond that, how do you know to beat your heart? You didn't die in infancy, so it has to have happened; the truth, if you'd bother to think, is that organisms have a variety of automatic processes that occur in them to keep them alive. Eels just have one extra, with regards to their magnetic sense. Hell, it doesn't even have to be an alterable thing, it could be a one time deal, a permanent magnetic recording of the point that they were born at.

If that is so, why don't you make another species (donkeys for example) return to their birth places from anywhere in the world
Then we will not need GPS we can use Donkeys!

Quote:I'm saying the instinct to return to the place of one's birth was cultivated in the eels through natural selection, since those that had that instinct survived at greater rates for returning to a place they could confirm as safe for them.

Quote: On an individual level I'm sure there's some eels that went off to other places, perhaps some of them even survived, but not in sufficient numbers.

They must be in millions and outnumber any others?

Quote:Yes, the earth's magnetic field. Now, if you want to assert that a god had to be involved too, you'd need to provide actual demonstrable evidence, equivalent to the data that scientists have produced on the topic of navigation by magnetism.

This supports the existence of intelligence guidance.

(May 28, 2013 at 2:51 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: They can move themselves over wet grass and dig through wet sand to reach upstream headwaters and ponds.

They make a journey of 6,000 km back to the same pond they were born!

Our concern is not about how they make it (it is unknown till now)
Whichever the method that they use, it will need external data about the location (and route) to take

This external source must be intelligent and have a purpose to send this data to eels

GOD

(June 22, 2013 at 8:42 am)Muslim Scholar Wrote: If that is so, why don't you make another species (donkeys for example) return to their birth places from anywhere in the world
Then we will not need GPS we can use Donkeys!

Red herring; my ability or inability to alter the behaviors of an existing creature has no bearing on whether or not that behavior could arise via evolution. Moreover, the creature in question would need a dedicated navigational apparatus, like the eel's magnetite compass, to be able to do so.

What you just said was either dishonest, or breathtakingly stupid.

Quote:They must be in millions and outnumber any others?

Not outnumber, no. But a few eels spread about the vast population of eels wouldn't be enough for that trait to become embedded enough. It would need to be shown to have a consistent advantage, or at least a less than fatal detriment, to persist, and since the trait we're talking about is "breeding anywhere else but the point at which you spawned" it's too random an outcome.

Quote:This supports the existence of intelligence guidance.

No, it supports the existence of a magnetic field around the planet, and the eel's ability to utilize it in navigation.

What was it I said about unevidenced assertions being dismissed out of hand? Yeah, that. Do you have any evidence, or shall we expect the same petulant insistence we've all come to know and be nauseated by?

Here is an interesting fact about the intelligent design movement in the US.

One of the argument proponents of ID make in favor of bringing their pseudo-science into the classroom to be taught alongside evolution is two-model education stimulates students. While this is undoubtedly true when properly applied it is an educational model that ID proponents only want to see applied to the evolution versus ID in public schools. It is an educational model they don’t use in Christian parochial schools. In fact they claim it is an inferior means of education when used to provide alternatives their views. While they demand that ID be given equal time in public schools, they argue against equal time for evolution in the private schools they control. It is so bad that when Christian Heritage College was evaluated for accreditation by the Western Association of Schools and Colleges the evaluation team found that the school practiced indoctrination not education.