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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 12:16 pm
(June 26, 2013 at 12:13 pm)Tartarus Sauce Wrote: (June 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Part of brainwashing is holding back knowledge from the brainwashee, which is exactly what an Atheist would be doing in an Atheist home. All I am saying is that if religion is a brainwashing process Atheism is too.
I didn't realize I was insulted. The whole thing about superior brainwashing was a joke to me, not to you apparently.
Who says that all atheists parents would withhold information about religion from their children?
They would never experience their parents praying with them, reading the Bible (in my case), teaching Bible studies, worshiping in Church and at home, and doing good deeds for the example of love Jesus has shown us. They would lack all of those experiences. Therefore, they are brainwashed, according to the running definition in this thread.
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 12:16 pm
(June 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Part of brainwashing is holding back knowledge from the brainwashee, which is exactly what an Atheist would be doing in an Atheist home. All I am saying is that if religion is a brainwashing process Atheism is too..
False assumption. Atheists do not withhold information from their children about religion, they just don't shove it down their throats. Christians on the other hand, you wouldn't believe the lengths they go to stop their children from watching atheist videos or reading atheist books for fear it would cause them to lose their religion. Or maybe you would?
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 12:16 pm
Again to the OP, what does the word 'atheism' mean to him/her, and what in their eyes are 'atheists'?
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 12:17 pm
(June 26, 2013 at 12:16 pm)TaraJo Wrote: (June 26, 2013 at 10:13 am)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: What is it?
Asked a different way, what is the end goal of Atheism?
Well, for me, the 'end game' of my being an atheist would be to find credible, verifiable evidence that God or a god exists. So far, that hasn't happened.
Keep looking. Leave no stone unturned. There are people in your situation who have looked and found God.
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 12:18 pm
(June 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Atheism is the lack of belief in a God or gods. An Atheistic house would lack pictures, texts, knick knacks depicting a God or gods. In other words an Atheistic house lacks religion. In contrast, a Christian's house has those things, and has religion.
There's no reason why a house that belongs to an atheist (which is what I presume you mean by 'atheistic house')can't have items associated with religion in it. The definition of atheist is not 'eschews ownership of pro-theistic materials'. I have three Bibles and a Qu'ran in mine. If you owned no religious items, it would not mean your house belongs to an atheist. Houses can't have or lack religion, they can only have or lack relgiious items.
(June 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Tell me how a child growing up in an Atheistic house wouldn't be "brainwashed" simply by their surroundings and their parents personalities by the lack of religion. The opposite is ascribed to me and my ilk like we're some kind of perverts for teaching our children our religion.
If you're not putting pressure on someone to believe (or not believe) what you want them to, the term 'brainwashing' doesn't apply, because that's what brainwashing is. If an atheist or theist parent puts pressure on their children to hold a particular viewpoint; what they're doing can reasonably be described as brainwashing...although I think the term should be reserved for a more concerted effort, like punishing them for not believing what you tell them to. Making a conscious effort NOT to put pressure on one's child to believe a certain way cannot reasonably be described as brainwashing. There's no such thing as inadvertant brainwashing.
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 12:18 pm
(June 26, 2013 at 12:13 pm)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: (June 26, 2013 at 12:08 pm)Rationalman Wrote: There are some Doctor who fanatics on this very forum, and the answer some have given to my question is to see a world where everyone watches doctor who. Sounds like the trappings of religion to me.
In that case, this is the running definition for religion in this thread. Congratulations, you are a Doctor Whoian! Tithes are to be paid every Thursday.
So rather than admit atheism is not a religion, you would call everything with a following a religion?
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“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 12:21 pm
(June 26, 2013 at 12:16 pm)Rationalman Wrote: (June 26, 2013 at 12:12 pm)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Part of brainwashing is holding back knowledge from the brainwashee, which is exactly what an Atheist would be doing in an Atheist home. All I am saying is that if religion is a brainwashing process Atheism is too..
False assumption. Atheists do not withhold information from their children about religion, they just don't shove it down their throats. Christians on the other hand, you wouldn't believe the lengths they go to stop their children from watching atheist videos or reading atheist books for fear it would cause them to lose their religion. Or maybe you would?
False assumption. All Christians do not withhold information from their children about Atheism. I am sure you teach your children lots of false information that you think is true. So please tell me more about your superior parenting skills. Apparently we are comparing everything here today. Hey, I bet I could cook better than you. Atheists lack cooking skills. The internet told me so.
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 12:22 pm
(June 26, 2013 at 12:01 pm)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Atheism is the lack of belief in a God or gods. An Atheistic house would lack pictures, texts, knick knacks depicting a God or gods. In other words an Atheistic house lacks religion. In contrast, a Christian's house has those things, and has religion.
Tell me how a child growing up in an Atheistic house wouldn't be "brainwashed" simply by their surroundings and their parents personalities by the lack of religion. The opposite is ascribed to me and my ilk like we're some kind of perverts for teaching our children our religion.
Do you have pictures, texts and other religious articles from all faiths?
For the record, there are three Bibles in my house. This does not include various translations or theological works that are on my Kindle. I have a prominently displayed plaque of the Serenity Prayer (if you ignore the invocation of God, I consider it a great piece of wisdom).
Parents have the ability to teach their children anything they wish. Although I won't call the individuals perverted, some pervert the child's education when learning is stifled by fealty to a particular dogma. The prime example is when creationist Christians (not all Christians are creationists) shelter their children from a proper education regarding evolution, geology, cosmology, etc. because it is at odds with the description of events provided in Genesis.
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 12:24 pm
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RE: The End Game of Atheism
June 26, 2013 at 12:24 pm
(June 26, 2013 at 12:21 pm)ShadowWolf1986 Wrote: Hey, I bet I could cook better than you. Atheists lack cooking skills. The internet told me so.
No way, I make the meanest soufflé the world has ever seen 
My cooking skills far outweigh your own.
You underestimate my power
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“Young earth creationism is essentially the position that all of modern science, 90% of living scientists and 98% of living biologists, all major university biology departments, every major science journal, the American Academy of Sciences, and every major science organization in the world, are all wrong regarding the origins and development of life….but one particular tribe of uneducated, bronze aged, goat herders got it exactly right.” - Chuck Easttom
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