Avoiding what topic? You're not making your argument clear.

(July 19, 2013 at 1:33 pm)Rahul Wrote:

(July 19, 2013 at 1:25 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: ok lets step it up then shmartypants

is my idea testable?

homosexuality is more of a hatred for the opposite than an appreciation of the same

AHah! I know that's wrong. Gay guys love grabbing boobs. I've heard this from lots of chicks that have gay male friends.

Cause everyone loves the boobs.

Everyone.

You avoided my question, i didn't ask what you 'know' before experimenting you dogmatic goof i asked if it was scientifically testable and ill further it with the question has this research been done? but they don't do experiments in kindergarten do they lol.

dogmatism is a pandemic disease on this planet, yes i am hostile to it

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(July 19, 2013 at 1:39 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Avoiding what topic? You're not making your argument clear.

how much clearer can it be? let me rephrase for ya,

hypothesis:
the attraction that two people of the same gender have towards each other is more of a repulsion of the opposite gender than a real biological or psychological attraction to someone of the same gender.

it is a testable idea. do you hate that people are able to find empirical answers to things religion has defined dogmatically? because i think thats the concept your having problems with.

(July 19, 2013 at 1:36 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: sex, gender, parts between your legs, look at the thread title...im not hostile, just kind of enjoying how much effort your putting into avoiding the topic

I'm not avoiding the topic. I'm attempting to understand what the fuck it is you are actually trying to say.

(July 19, 2013 at 1:39 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: You avoided my question, i didn't ask what you 'know' before experimenting you dogmatic goof i asked if it was scientifically testable and ill further it with the question has this research been done? but they don't do experiments in kindergarten do they lol.

dogmatism is a pandemic disease on this planet, yes i am hostile to it

heh

I hope you are clever enough to realize I wasn't giving a serious response to your question. I have no interest in engaging in this debate with you because I think your premise is... trying to be polite here.

Urhm. Flawed? Obviously so?

So whatever. I'm dogmatic about some things but not about my views on homosexuality or my belief in the reality of god.

Back when I was a Christian I thought about this and this is how I view it:

I can remember back when I was very young having some odd feelings toward women. I was too young to understand it or what it meant, but what I was having was an attraction to women and proto-sexual feelings toward them. This was like when I was 3 or 4 years old.

I didn't decide to like women, I just instinctively liked them in a way totally different than what I felt toward men.

So I was born heterosexual. I can imagine a 3 or 4 year old boy sitting around somewhere right now having those odd thoughts and feelings toward other boys and not understanding what it means yet. Eventually they'll realize that they are gay.

I asked a lesbian friend once why she didn't like guys. She said this:

Her: "Well you know how you would feel if another guy touched you in a sexual way?"

Myself: "Er, well yeah."

Her: "It would feel wrong right?"

Myself: "Yeah."

She shrugged and said, "That's how it feels when a guy touches me."

dont try to be polite you're a goof and your argument is referring to people that are pre-pubescent when the hormones that attract people of opposite genders are not yet functioning.

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further, views of what is right and wrong are still mostly influenced by dogmatic religious definitions. the patriarchal system that mono-theism has promoted for millenniums is the cause of war between masculine and feminine, how can you have a mono-ideal and be equal? religion says there is one god, he>her. this is the cause of war, division, frustration and failed relationships between people of opposite genders.

for there to be peace you need a me and a you, there are two people there you see? 'one' people will be at war until they acknowledge this and evolve.

(July 19, 2013 at 2:06 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: dont try to be polite you're a goof and your argument is referring to people that are pre-pubescent when the hormones that attract people of opposite genders are not yet functioning.

(July 19, 2013 at 2:06 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: further, views of what is right and wrong are still mostly influenced by dogmatic religious definitions. the patriarchal system that mono-theism has promoted for millenniums is the cause of war between masculine and feminine, how can you have a mono-ideal and be equal? religion says there is one god, he>her. this is the cause of war, division, frustration and failed relationships between people of opposite genders.

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(July 19, 2013 at 2:06 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: dont try to be polite you're a goof and your argument is referring to people that are pre-pubescent when the hormones that attract people of opposite genders are not yet functioning.

You didn't like any girls before puberty?

???

You didn't have a crush on that cute female classmate of yours in the first grade?

I sure as hell did.

I'll let the rest of you guys handle this dude. I've got a bad case of apathy at the moment.

Guess my "awkward" comment was hurtful. What I was reacting to was the combination of sentiments in that one sentence in which love was said to be unconditional (naive) and, at the same time, that those who profess to love the same sex are really motivated by hate of the opposite sex (hateful). I don't want to traumatize you anymore if you're really a teenager but lets not pretend you're making an argument here. All you've really done is to put out an unintuitive hypothesis to prop up your own prejudice and challenge all comers to show you're wrong.

If you really are very young, don't worry. There is a cure. It just takes time and an open mind.

I'm gay and I quite enjoy being that way. Except when people are assholes about it, which only seems to happen to me when I'm out in public with a girlfriend. I'm not sure why people feel entitled to treat us as sideshow freaks rather than actual people, but they totally do. I could tell some stories.

As far as marriage, yeah, I'd like to have that option in the future. I'd like to be able to marry the love of my life someday and have a family and be recognized by the state as being a family. That would be nice. It would suck if I had to settle for being a second-class citizen just because I love people that are the same sex that I am. It would suck for my future children, too.

it would 'suck'. and i hope you all the best and assure you that if i had a vote on gay marriage i would vote in favor because anybody that can experience love has that right regardless of all other variables.

'suck' is a derogatory form that stems from patriarchy and oral sex and how women are 'less than', im sorry that you have had to deal with that in your life.

my comment on the idea of homosexuality was not intended to be anti-gay. I consider myself bi-sexual, I masturbate often and that is no different than giving another guy a handjob.

I apologize if anything i said was offensive to any person who has already experienced enough persecution for expressing their free choice to love who they choose.

(July 19, 2013 at 3:06 pm)whateverist Wrote: Guess my "awkward" comment was hurtful. What I was reacting to was the combination of sentiments in that one sentence in which love was said to be unconditional (naive) and, at the same time, that those who profess to love the same sex are really motivated by hate of the opposite sex (hateful). I don't want to traumatize you anymore if you're really a teenager but lets not pretend you're making an argument here. All you've really done is to put out an unintuitive hypothesis to prop up your own prejudice and challenge all comers to show you're wrong.

If you really are very young, don't worry. There is a cure. It just takes time and an open mind.

I am young and that has nothing to do with my argument, please try to focus,

It is a valid and testable hypothesis, im sorry that you don't understand how empirical evidence and truth is established through testing and results, I do not conclude that I am right, it is just an idea. thank you for the nice pictures though... got any farting noises that you can make?