(July 19, 2013 at 9:52 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: i am trying to help people that are trapped in dogmatic beliefs and ideologies that are unproven.

What a kind person you are.

a real person?

At what point did you become real?

kind - the german word being = freundlich

nice can also be used instead of kind.

meant here by me in my previous post in a sarcastic way.

(July 19, 2013 at 7:29 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: exactly so it's safe to say that humanity doesn't have that answer yet?

atheism = dogmatic = religion = hypocrisy, can we all just get along now and take off all of our clothes?

I don't know when or how life on earth began, but there are some good hypotheses and there is evidential support for them. We're working on it.

I don't know whether or not any gods exist, but there is no evidence for any of them and mountains of evidence against most of them.

Those are the common opinions of many scientific people and many atheists.

What's the point of this thread? To tell me that I can't know whether a god exists or not?

Well, thank you so fucking much. Next you'll be telling me that water is wet

(July 19, 2013 at 10:12 pm)KichigaiNeko Wrote: At what point did you become real?

that's funny i would ask an evolutionist the same question

my answer is i dont know. you?

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(July 19, 2013 at 10:21 pm)Chas Wrote:

(July 19, 2013 at 7:29 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: exactly so it's safe to say that humanity doesn't have that answer yet?

atheism = dogmatic = religion = hypocrisy, can we all just get along now and take off all of our clothes?

I don't know when or how life on earth began, but there are some good hypotheses and there is evidential support for them. We're working on it.

I don't know whether or not any gods exist, but there is no evidence for any of them and mountains of evidence against most of them.

Those are the common opinions of many scientific people and many atheists.

thank you so much for your civility.

and i think that most atheists and scientific people are nice decent reasonable people. I also think that many religious people are nice decent reasonable people. but the underlying ideologies of a group are not always out in the open and my argument is that atheism is no different than christianity in that respect. people should be careful of what name they associate with any group that has a common belief of something unknown.

and in general, athiesm holds that "we do not believe in a god or gods" and ill repeat it, that is not the same as saying "I don't have any belief in the subject of whether or not a god or gods exist."

(July 19, 2013 at 10:44 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote:

(July 19, 2013 at 10:12 pm)KichigaiNeko Wrote: At what point did you become real?

that's funny i would ask an evolutionist the same question

my answer is i dont know. you?

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(July 19, 2013 at 10:21 pm)Chas Wrote: I don't know when or how life on earth began, but there are some good hypotheses and there is evidential support for them. We're working on it.

I don't know whether or not any gods exist, but there is no evidence for any of them and mountains of evidence against most of them.

Those are the common opinions of many scientific people and many atheists.

thank you so much for your civility.

and i think that most atheists and scientific people are nice decent reasonable people. I also think that many religious people are nice decent reasonable people. but the underlying ideologies of a group are not always out in the open and my argument is that atheism is no different than christianity in that respect. people should be careful of what name they associate with any group that has a common belief of something unknown.

and in general, athiesm holds that "we do not believe in a god or gods" and ill repeat it, that is not the same as saying "I don't have any belief in the subject of whether or not a god or gods exist."

I do not believe that any gods exist because there is no evidence of any.

I don't know that no gods exist, but I lack any belief in them.

That's not the same as your statement. You have stated agnosticism.

fair enough.

I have to admit Im wrong when Im wrong.

so the term agnostic atheist is somewhat oxymoronic?

(July 19, 2013 at 11:11 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: fair enough.

I have to admit Im wrong when Im wrong.

so the term agnostic atheist is somewhat oxymoronic?

No, it's clarifying even if a bit awkwardly stated.