you don't know that removing islam would not fix their problems, there needs to be an experiment before a conclusion.

(July 20, 2013 at 3:30 pm)christcahinkilla Wrote: you don't know that removing islam would not fix their problems, there needs to be an experiment before a conclusion.

Even if you remove islam (which is not doable), it will take decades upon decades before changes happen. because islam is a huge part of their culture, and has affected how most of them view the world and their moral values. it's also huge part of politics, so. yea.

so you're a prophet? you can determine the future before anything happens... i see.

anything is doable by the way.

Tried your hand at levitating recently?

(July 20, 2013 at 9:03 am)Psykhronic Wrote: I love how he says no gays are fighting for their rights. Or at least severely implies that - all because he doesn't "see" it.

Which is ironic, considering the country in which he lives, Turkey, has a rather outspoken gay community.

(July 20, 2013 at 5:54 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: I already told in this thread, heterosexuals and homosexuals are not equal friend. They never will be. Homosexuals walk the darkness to live our their carnal desires, while heterosexuals had marriage for centuries to give their carnal desires a purpose beyond simple pleasure.
So do not expect me to treat them as equal in any way.

Ah. Irrational statements. Anyone got any salt and pepper?

Homosexuality is a human trait. Not a predominate one granted, but a natural human trait.

No matter what the culture, no matter what the social acceptance, no matter anything, every human population contains around an 8-10 percent ratio of homosexuals.

It's in our DNA.

Since homosexuals don't normally reproduce in near the same numbers as heterosexuals (sometimes homosexuals try to be straight and actually get married to the opposite gender or have sex with the opposite gender and kids happen) then there is an obvious benefit to the survival of humanity itself to have homosexual members. Otherwise the genetics involved in producing homosexual members of us would have been taken out of our genetic heritage tens of thousands of years ago.

The most compelling theory I have run across is that us humans invest enormous resources in raising human children. Because they take a really, really long time to mature compared to any other animal.

So having a portion of your adult population not adding to this burden but contributing to the raising of them (think of our nomadic small bands of ancestors that was the vast majority of our existence on this planet) then they helped ensure the survival of our species.

You can take your ignorant hatemongering culture and shove it up your ass, Mehmet.

Science shows your cultural based attitude about homosexuality is misguided and flat out wrong.

It seems like people yet again have played the culture card, as though a innate disapproval of homosexuality doesn't exist in their culture, I have to use mine to prove something? Obviously not.
A large number of US media that reaches our TV's and cinemas features ridicule of this so-called sexual minorities of yours, along with of course, copious amounts of sexual undertones, which serves now as a marketing tool in the US, whatever.

Let me start by replying to the individual points that have been put through on this basis, as though I'm the only one who has the courage to speak up.

Quote:Excellent, you have finally been honest about your hatred.

I do hate anything that is bent on corrupting decent society. This includes the bastardization of the institutions that constitute the pillars of the said society. One such pillar is marriage. No one is disrespecting people's personal space, they can do whatever they wish behind their closed doors, yet marriage is a public instiution.

Quote:I love how he says no gays are fighting for their rights. Or at least severely implies that - all because he doesn't "see" it.

All I see is a bunch of people, including you, who do not believe in marriage, yet fight for the so-called right for gays to marry. I've already stated before that marriage is an instituton that is built on traditions and has a definite purpose. You've ignored everything I've used as an argument, and now your peers have moved on to personal attacks.

Quote:And to think we were taking this guy seriously? To paraphrase "people should stop doing something if it annoys me". Wow, great argument there. Imagine if this fellow had some sort of political power. It'd be hell on earth.

Well, you better take me seriously, for there are people like me in your country who oppose your points of view. If you can't persuade me, how do you propose to win them over? Or perhaps you don't, you simply wish to walk over the will of the majority to archive your ends? But beware, those who fly too high will get burned.

Quote:I'm sure there are fathers who take their daughters to either the doctor or a woman's clinic or reproductive health clinic - but many times it's either the mother going with the daughter or the daughter going on her own. And we may be sexually "liberal" compared to his country, but compared to areas of Europe and Nordic countries we still have a stick up our asses.

Mother, father, does it really makes any difference?
On the other hand, you may be right about the second one, though I don't see them actually publicizing themselves as such, while you do, through the media. Don't blame me, blame yourselves.

Quote:Are you a liar or just fucking ignorant?

You've sent me this link, the first two, about alcohol and drugs, I'd say its really nothing new. Though the third here:

Quote:Rural Turkey has a high teenage pregnancy rate, far higher than in the urban areas. The World Health Organization (WHO) reports that nearly two percent of girls in Turkey age 15 to 19 are pregnant with their first child. Programmes put in place by state and private organisations aim to familiarise youth with modern methods of contraception.

"Rural Turkey" as it was mentioned, yet no one really mentioned where in particular. In rural areas around most of Turkey, child pregnancies are rare. However in the south-eastern part of Turkey, where the Kurds live, it runs rampart. It's a minority problem, not a majority problem.

Quote:There's nothing to prove that children raised in same-sex households won't turn out just as fine as children in homes with a man and woman. In fact, I gave you an example of how children raised in same-sex households turn out perfectly fine, normal, and loved (which you convienently ignored).

Sure friend. I'd like to see you deal with the confusion of going to school and finding out that everyone has a mother and a father and facing the stigma of being the adopted child of gays. Obviously, not everyone is keen to having a child around their own children that is raised in such an abnormal environment. Really, all you do in life is to create problems. Just so a few gays can have it their way, you're willing to sacrifice children, with the false hope that it will become more "acceptable" in future, while sacrificing perhaps more than two generations in the process.
I really doubt that you really care about the children at all.

Quote:Wait. This dipshit is literally arguing that the only way a minority should change the mind of the majority is through fucking violence?

I doubt that you can change the mind of the majority on this issue with words, as words will fail you because your demands from the public are not justified on any real basis, other than the fact you "want it so".
And you're also quite uncompromising, and reject any middle-ways presented to you, so what else is there for you to do?
Hope for a homosexual president and cabinet to take over the government and pass a silent law that makes it legal for you to marry and adopt? Just like thieves in the night?

Quote:Right. Because no minority or oppressed group has ever achieved anything non-violently, and in a civilized society, the mature response to having your rights denied is armed insurrection.

Well, you obviously know that it won't get you anywhere, as it seems. However I think that no amount of response will get you anywhere than the place you are now.

Quote:We're dealing with a psychopath here, people. What a fucking caveman mentality this is. Nobody should ever take you seriously, buddy.

Again, personal attacks.

Quote:“In Iran, we don't have homosexuals, like in your country. We don't have that in our country. In Iran, we do not have this phenomenon. I don't know who's told you that we have it." - Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

Are all you people in that part of the world delusional?

Well, he's right to a degree. Homosexuals over there are conformists, who do their business behind closed doors, as it should be. And to be honest, it's easier for homosexuals to meet and commit their acts in Iran than it is for heterosexuals, might I add, and with Iranians having a rich history in sodomy..well I'm not surprised either.

Quote:the are not delusional only under the influence of a hateful ideology with a wrathiest dictator. they are victims.

Which ideology and which dictator?

Quote:Even if you remove Islam and the government from them they would still think that way. It's their culture. He's so proud of that culture. It's so wonderful.

And well, you're correct there, before Islam, Turks were known to be a people of high moral values. As the Arab traveler Ibn-Fadlan had recorded on the morals of then still pagan Turks, he remarked "Fornication is unknown amongst these people."
I am proud of it, of course.

Quote:you don't know that removing islam would not fix their problems, there needs to be an experiment before a conclusion.

I don't know what Islam has to do with any of this. I really would appreciate it if you would not divert the issue.

Quote:Even if you remove islam (which is not doable), it will take decades upon decades before changes happen. because islam is a huge part of their culture, and has affected how most of them view the world and their moral values. it's also huge part of politics, so. yea.

Well, our moral values were as strong and as true as they were before our acceptance of Islam.

Quote:Which is ironic, considering the country in which he lives, Turkey, has a rather outspoken gay community.

Outspoken...I'd say no. Really, the only "outspoken" part of it are the trannies that walk the streets, and they're like..street gangs as a matter of fact. Besides prostitution, they deal drugs, attack bypassers and taxi drivers. Normal people divert their ways upon seeing them, although they only walk the shadows of night, never the light of day.

Quote:Ah. Irrational statements. Anyone got any salt and pepper?

Homosexuality is a human trait. Not a predominate one granted, but a natural human trait.

No matter what the culture, no matter what the social acceptance, no matter anything, every human population contains around an 8-10 percent ratio of homosexuals.

It's in our DNA.

Since homosexuals don't normally reproduce in near the same numbers as heterosexuals (sometimes homosexuals try to be straight and actually get married to the opposite gender or have sex with the opposite gender and kids happen) then there is an obvious benefit to the survival of humanity itself to have homosexual members. Otherwise the genetics involved in producing homosexual members of us would have been taken out of our genetic heritage tens of thousands of years ago.

The most compelling theory I have run across is that us humans invest enormous resources in raising human children. Because they take a really, really long time to mature compared to any other animal.

So having a portion of your adult population not adding to this burden but contributing to the raising of them (think of our nomadic small bands of ancestors that was the vast majority of our existence on this planet) then they helped ensure the survival of our species.

You can take your ignorant hatemongering culture and shove it up your ass, Mehmet.

Science shows your cultural based attitude about homosexuality is misguided and flat out wrong.

I really don't know how gays somehow contributed to the raising of children man. Since they generally distance themselves from the rest of their families, or do not really exist with that identity at all, I'd say that homosexuals contribute little to the raising of children. This is all nothing but bullcrap. Gays as nature's babysitters, yeah, makes a lot of sense.

(July 21, 2013 at 8:06 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: It seems like people yet again have played the culture card, as though a innate disapproval of homosexuality doesn't exist in their culture, I have to use mine to prove something? Obviously not.
A large number of US media that reaches our TV's and cinemas features ridicule of this so-called sexual minorities of yours, along with of course, copious amounts of sexual undertones, which serves now as a marketing tool in the US, whatever.

Guess what? Here in America, we have access to all of American media. Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert - both are EXCEEDINGLY popular and endorse gay rights. But Fox News does not like gays and the other news channels tend to beat around the bush. HOWEVER, we have Ellen Degeneres, who is popular and a lesbian, the tv show Glee that has a lot of gays in it, gay actors who are popular (dude who played Gandalf - forgot his name- and George Takei who is always outspoken and often adored), oh and Conan Obrien has a gay cohost, there are movies with gays in a positive light (brokeback mountain) - Not to mention the Supreme Court declared DOMA unconstitutional, 13 states have legalized gay marriage, many schools have Gay-Straight Alliances, places like P-Town, and San Francisco exist. The South is conservative and many do not like gays but there are also a lot of people in those states who DO, and there are liberal places even in conservative states. So again, please tell me more about my country, Mehmet. I'm sure your totally unfiltered view of the media has taught you much.

And you'll have to prove that disapproval of gays is innate.

(July 21, 2013 at 8:42 am)Psykhronic Wrote:

(July 21, 2013 at 8:06 am)kılıç_mehmet Wrote: It seems like people yet again have played the culture card, as though a innate disapproval of homosexuality doesn't exist in their culture, I have to use mine to prove something? Obviously not.
A large number of US media that reaches our TV's and cinemas features ridicule of this so-called sexual minorities of yours, along with of course, copious amounts of sexual undertones, which serves now as a marketing tool in the US, whatever.

Guess what? Here in America, we have access to all of American media. Jon Stewart, Stephen Colbert - both are EXCEEDINGLY popular and endorse gay rights. But Fox News does not like gays and the other news channels tend to beat around the bush. HOWEVER, we have Ellen Degeneres, who is popular and a lesbian, the tv show Glee that has a lot of gays in it, gay actors who are popular (dude who played Gandalf - forgot his name- and George Takei who is always outspoken and often adored), oh and Conan Obrien has a gay cohost, there are movies with gays in a positive light (brokeback mountain) - Not to mention the Supreme Court declared DOMA unconstitutional, 13 states have legalized gay marriage, many schools have Gay-Straight Alliances, places like P-Town, and San Francisco exist. The South is conservative and many do not like gays but there are also a lot of people in those states who DO, and there are liberal places even in conservative states. So again, please tell me more about my country, Mehmet. I'm sure your totally unfiltered view of the media has taught you much.

And you'll have to prove that disapproval of gays is innate.

Yeah, we too have that. A gay, not just, a transsexual singer, a very popular one. And gay hosts in music channels, yeah. We also have some cross-dressing guy who does comedy, though he's not gay.
We have that too. But really, this doesn't add up to nothing.

You gave me a couple examples of gays doing aight in your country. Good. But to pretend it's the same as it is in America based on what you have told us all, and we've told you, is fucking stupid.

Prove that disapproval of gays is innate?