(July 23, 2013 at 4:49 pm)Rationalman Wrote:

(July 23, 2013 at 4:41 pm)ronedee Wrote: The "stupid" & "nonsenical" is saying that life just popped into existence.

I might be wrong here, but I have never heard anyone except theists, claiming that life just popped into existence, when they are attempting to explain what they think atheists and scientists think.

(July 23, 2013 at 4:41 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(July 23, 2013 at 2:23 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(July 22, 2013 at 9:13 am)Esquilax Wrote: Why not try transmitting a message with some actual content? It might help; so far your message has just been varying shades of "I'm right!" over and over.

Like what? i asked you what you needed for proof? And I never once said "I'm right."

(July 22, 2013 at 9:13 am)Esquilax Wrote: Life is proof of life. Nothing else entails.

Well, then how do you explain "Life"? Science tells us: there was a beginning; there will be an end. But, "they" don't know what happened before, or what will happen after. What's you scientific, rational explanation?

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(July 22, 2013 at 9:13 am)Esquilax Wrote: And it's not the same with christians? I can't go out and find a million different interpretations of the bible, the religion, everything? The difference is that when presented with a difference of opinion, the atheist is honest and just accepts that we won't all agree on everything. You guys so often just dismiss any other viewpoints, assert that yours is right, and... that's it.

Don't pretend like your side is so unified, dude.

Is that a joke? We all believe in God...in your case(s) WhoTF knows?

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(July 22, 2013 at 9:13 am)Esquilax Wrote: If you want to prove something to be an objective fact... yeah, you will be held accountable to proving that it exists. Sorry, that's just the way claims work. Now, without any form of example it's hard to really respond to this, but since atheism isn't making a truth claim, only a belief one, then we aren't required to provide proof. Unless you want us to prove that we don't believe in a god?

Meanwhile, you're claiming that god does exist, and that you know it. Not just that you believe it. Claims to knowledge require evidence: if you can't show it, you don't know it, to quote Aronra.

Unless you and the others can explain every mystery in Life, the burden of proof is on you that God doesn't exist.

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(July 22, 2013 at 9:13 am)Esquilax Wrote: And you will continue to be wrong.

Good. "Spiritual reasoning" is just a nicer way of saying "unsubstantiated, loudly asserted nothings."

So again, what you don't see is proof that it doesn't exist? When you read your statement back...don't you feel a little embarrassed?

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(July 22, 2013 at 9:13 am)Esquilax Wrote: Also note that I didn't once resort to ridicule, I just asked what makes you so sure of your position.

You come damn near it.... but what makes you so sure of your position? How can you [also] make statements w/o knowing? At least I have personal experience to prove my Faith. What do you have? Nothing...literally nothing.

(July 22, 2013 at 9:13 am)Esquilax Wrote: Perhaps your bible writers should have constructed a better fictional canon for their main character. As it stands, the whole thing is riddled with inconsistencies.

Better yet, perhaps you apologists could construct some decent arguments. Pointing out the inconsistencies in the shit you spout isn't the same as an unprovoked attack.

And the shit you spout isn't an attack? Or is it ridicule of something you don't understand? Just because Einstein discovered the theory of relativity, doesn't mean YOU would've ever found it...or understood it!

Yet you BELIEVE IT? Or maybe he is wrong? Would you know that? Do a search on how many scentific facts over time were proven wrong!

So, your argument is less effective than mine! Because you just don't know!

(July 22, 2013 at 9:13 am)Esquilax Wrote: Once again, personal experience isn't evidence.

To you. But you don't know the way to a personal experience with God, because your bias and closed-mindedness blocks you from it.

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(July 22, 2013 at 9:13 am)Esquilax Wrote: You act like there's never been a religious deconvert. What would you say to all the devout religious followers that have become atheists? All the members of the Clergy Project, for example?

I only know of TWO semi-famous clergy that became an atheist. One died of cancer not to long ago, the other is dying from cancer.

If any clergy, or religious has turned to atheism, I would think there was nothing there to begin with.

But, this isn't about religion. It's about "personal" relationships with God. We are NOT saved in groups. We are saved indiviually, by ONE individual. Jesus Christ! Amen!

(July 23, 2013 at 7:51 pm)Godschild Wrote: I do live in America. What I don't understand is why atheist can't accept that Christians can be brilliant scientist, if you were to sit down and talk to these men you would be amazed at their level of intelligence, the youth I taught was 22 when he received his PHD. in nuclear engineering.

(July 23, 2013 at 7:51 pm)Godschild Wrote: I do live in America. What I don't understand is why atheist can't accept that Christians can be brilliant scientist, if you were to sit down and talk to these men you would be amazed at their level of intelligence, the youth I taught was 22 when he received his PHD. in nuclear engineering.

(July 23, 2013 at 9:47 pm)ronedee Wrote:

(July 23, 2013 at 4:49 pm)Rationalman Wrote: I might be wrong here, but I have never heard anyone except theists, claiming that life just popped into existence, when they are attempting to explain what they think atheists and scientists think.

well?

(July 24, 2013 at 6:36 am)Rationalman Wrote:

(July 23, 2013 at 9:47 pm)ronedee Wrote: well?

It was a polite way of calling you an idiot and a liar

(July 23, 2013 at 11:08 pm)Chas Wrote: Why is it that theists cannot understand burden of proof, evidence, and just plain 'we don't have an answer'?
"We don't yet know" is not evidence of god.

(July 23, 2013 at 11:08 pm)Chas Wrote: And we all don't. What is your point?

(July 23, 2013 at 11:08 pm)Chas Wrote: No, it's fucking not. We aren't making the claim - you are. Burden on you.

(July 23, 2013 at 11:08 pm)Chas Wrote: Again, you entirely miss the point. You have no evidence of god.
We are not claiming the non-existence of god, merely the complete lack of evidence for the existence.

You do not understand the meaning of the word 'evidence'.
Please look it up, because you are clue-free.

(July 23, 2013 at 11:08 pm)Chas Wrote: I know several clergy who have become atheist - and know of scores more.
Google "the clergy project".

(July 24, 2013 at 10:20 am)Rationalman Wrote: My answer: You are wrong when you say that life just popped into existence.