(July 23, 2013 at 7:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: And those 3 billion people more than likely do not pray to God or even care if their is God. I seriously doubt that number to be any where correct, do you have proof?

BWS Wrote:I'm not even sure your prejudiced remark even deserves my data to back it up because you wipe your ass with all the evidence we give you.

Wycliffe's stats
This site breaks down everything, but doesn't give totals.
Translation Progess
This one is an article that tells us that 90% of the world's languages have at least a partial translation, but in many places, especially Asia, it is not distributed at all.

Wiki answers turned up results immediately. With 7 Billion people worldwide, 3 Billion of them do not have Reasonable Access to a Bible. You hastily decided they are unrighteous. You, my friend, are a bigot.

How do you come up with the idea I'm bigoted, There's probably only 2 billion Christians in the world, that leaves 5 billion that do not recognize the God of the Bible. Wycliff is not the only association that distributes Bibles. With 3 billion people who do not have reasonable access to the Bible are probably those who do not believe in the God of the Bible, so even if they did they wouldn't care. With these stats most all Christians have Bibles or reasonable access.
Actually the bigot would be you, you would deny the Bible to all if you could.

(July 23, 2013 at 7:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: Why is that important to my salvation, if you believe I came here to prove God, you are mistaken, that's Gods job.

BWS Wrote:Oh, phew. If that's the case, we don't need you anymore, GC. It was nice knowing you.

I most definitely did not come here to please you, glad to know you're not going to speak to me anymore. Besides that the question was not meant for you.

(July 23, 2013 at 7:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: I care and because I do it bothers you.

BWS Wrote:The way you care bothers me.

I did not ask you, but once more I did not come here to please you.

I will rephrase the question: if you have not come here to please us, if you have not come here to prove god, if you are not concerned by what others may think about you, if you only believe what your bible says and if you are only going to say that we will burn in hell if we won't believe in your god, why are you on an atheist forum?
Except for annoying the fuck out of rational people.

(July 25, 2013 at 12:28 am)Godschild Wrote: How do you come up with the idea I'm bigoted,

My logic process turned that up. I also showed how I worked that out. "You hastily decided [those without reasonable access to the Bible] are unrighteous." This fact I pointed out leaves one of two options: 1. You know something that we don't or 2. You are actually ignorant of what these people believe or don't believe, which makes you a bigot towards them.

(July 25, 2013 at 12:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Wycliff is not the only association that distributes Bibles.

The statistics they're using are not just from their own organization. They're taking into account all the other translations by other organizations in the world. They may be a bunch of Bible thumpers, but they weren't idiotic when gathering those stats.

(July 25, 2013 at 12:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Actually the bigot would be you, you would deny the Bible to all if you could.

Don't presume to think that I would deny any piece of literature to the world, even if it was the Bible. If I denied access to literature that I didn't believe in, then I suppose I would therefore need to include other books on my ban list, such as "The Once and Future King" (The Arthurian Legend), "The Epic of Gilgamesh" (quite an interesting flood account in that one) and "Mythology" (a collection of Greek myths and legends).

No, GC. I want people to read the Bible, just like I want them to read the Book of Mormon and Al-Quran. I want them to start in Genesis, and read it with the same eye of scrutiny that they would use when reading about Norse mythology and Ancient Egyptian religion. I think the Bible is a useful piece of literature, and it shouldn't be denied to anyone.

(July 25, 2013 at 12:28 am)Godschild Wrote:

(July 23, 2013 at 7:32 pm)Godschild Wrote: I care and because I do it bothers you.

BWS Wrote:The way you care bothers me.

I did not ask you, but once more I did not come here to please you.

Then your blathering is useless, especially since you're not supposed to preach on these forums.

(July 25, 2013 at 12:28 am)Godschild Wrote: How do you come up with the idea I'm bigoted,

BWS Wrote:My logic process turned that up. I also showed how I worked that out. "You hastily decided [those without reasonable access to the Bible] are unrighteous." This fact I pointed out leaves one of two options: 1. You know something that we don't or 2. You are actually ignorant of what these people believe or don't believe, which makes you a bigot towards them.

You logic is flawed, I decided those without access to the Bible were not Christians for the most part, you have jumped to your own biased opinion of what I said. We were discussing getting answers from
God through scripture, those who look for answers from God are those who believe in Him as their savior, I never challenged anyone's righteousness.

(July 25, 2013 at 12:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Wycliff is not the only association that distributes Bibles.

BWS Wrote:The statistics they're using are not just from their own organization. They're taking into account all the other translations by other organizations in the world. They may be a bunch of Bible thumpers, but they weren't idiotic when gathering those stats.

Agreed, however they do not take into account everyone that supplies those Bibles or where they go. They track sales and not necessarily destination.

(July 25, 2013 at 12:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Actually the bigot would be you, you would deny the Bible to all if you could.

BWS Wrote:Don't presume to think that I would deny any piece of literature to the world, even if it was the Bible. If I denied access to literature that I didn't believe in, then I suppose I would therefore need to include other books on my ban list, such as "The Once and Future King" (The Arthurian Legend), "The Epic of Gilgamesh" (quite an interesting flood account in that one) and "Mythology" (a collection of Greek myths and legends).

No, GC. I want people to read the Bible, just like I want them to read the Book of Mormon and Al-Quran. I want them to start in Genesis, and read it with the same eye of scrutiny that they would use when reading about Norse mythology and Ancient Egyptian religion. I think the Bible is a useful piece of literature, and it shouldn't be denied to anyone.

Really, why then do you call those who read the Bible delusional and the Bible a fairy tale. You also said above you want people to read the Bible in a way that you think is appropriate, see bold above. Your description of scriptures in other post lead me to believe that your statement that scripture is useful is not the way you really believe.

(July 25, 2013 at 12:28 am)Godschild Wrote: I did not ask you, but once more I did not come here to please you.

BWS Wrote:Then your blathering is useless, especially since you're not supposed to preach on these forums.

I'm not preaching here, if I were the Moderators would warn me. If I start to preach you'll know it. Why I'm here is not really your concern it's mine, besides I've explained my reason many times, I get tired of repeating it and then told that is not my reason.

(July 25, 2013 at 6:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: Really, why then do you call those who read the Bible delusional and the Bible a fairy tale.

I think he meant people that believe what is written in the bible are delusional

(July 25, 2013 at 6:54 pm)Godschild Wrote:

(July 25, 2013 at 9:40 am)BadWriterSparty Wrote:

(July 25, 2013 at 12:28 am)Godschild Wrote: How do you come up with the idea I'm bigoted,

BWS Wrote:My logic process turned that up. I also showed how I worked that out. "You hastily decided [those without reasonable access to the Bible] are unrighteous." This fact I pointed out leaves one of two options: 1. You know something that we don't or 2. You are actually ignorant of what these people believe or don't believe, which makes you a bigot towards them.

You logic is flawed,

GC: "And those 3 billion people more than likely do not pray to God or even care if their is God"

But please, tell me more about how my logic is flawed.

(July 25, 2013 at 6:54 pm)Godschild Wrote:

BWS Wrote:

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Don't presume to think that I would deny any piece of literature to the world, even if it was the Bible. If I denied access to literature that I didn't believe in, then I suppose I would therefore need to include other books on my ban list, such as "The Once and Future King" (The Arthurian Legend), "The Epic of Gilgamesh" (quite an interesting flood account in that one) and "Mythology" (a collection of Greek myths and legends).

No, GC. I want people to read the Bible, just like I want them to read the Book of Mormon and Al-Quran. I want them to start in Genesis, and read it with the same eye of scrutiny that they would use when reading about Norse mythology and Ancient Egyptian religion. I think the Bible is a useful piece of literature, and it shouldn't be denied to anyone.

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Really, why then do you call those who read the Bible delusional and the Bible a fairy tale. You also said above you want people to read the Bible in a way that you think is appropriate, see bold above. Your description of scriptures in other post lead me to believe that your statement that scripture is useful is not the way you really believe.

I take the Bible as a Fairy Tale the same way I take "Arabian Nights" to be one. Believing in Fairy Tales is delusional. I think books are useful for reading, especially if the subject matter is of cultural or controversial in essence. Do you believe in the Book of Mormon? Do you believe in Al-Quran?

(July 25, 2013 at 12:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Why I'm here is not really your concern it's mine, besides I've explained my reason many times, I get tired of repeating it and then told that is not my reason.

Actions speak louder than words...or, rather, on a forum, your words decry your actions.

(July 26, 2013 at 1:28 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote:

(July 25, 2013 at 6:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: You logic is flawed,

GC: "And those 3 billion people more than likely do not pray to God or even care if their is God"

But please, tell me more about how my logic is flawed.

(July 25, 2013 at 6:54 pm)Godschild Wrote: Really, why then do you call those who read the Bible delusional and the Bible a fairy tale. You also said above you want people to read the Bible in a way that you think is appropriate, see bold above. Your description of scriptures in other post lead me to believe that your statement that scripture is useful is not the way you really believe.

I take the Bible as a Fairy Tale the same way I take "Arabian Nights" to be one. Believing in Fairy Tales is delusional. I think books are useful for reading, especially if the subject matter is of cultural or controversial in essence. Do you believe in the Book of Mormon? Do you believe in Al-Quran?

(July 25, 2013 at 12:28 am)Godschild Wrote: Why I'm here is not really your concern it's mine, besides I've explained my reason many times, I get tired of repeating it and then told that is not my reason.

Actions speak louder than words...or, rather, on a forum, your words decry your actions.

This whole thing is incoherent.

(July 26, 2013 at 3:07 pm)Godschild Wrote: This whole thing is incoherent.

Or maybe you just don't understand, I think that is a more likely explanation

GC, please stop avoiding direct questions. Do you believe in the Book of Mormon or Al-Quran?

(July 26, 2013 at 3:53 pm)BadWriterSparty Wrote: GC, please stop avoiding direct questions. Do you believe in the Book of Mormon or Al-Quran?

I'm not avoiding anything you know the answer to your own question, you did not have to ask it and thus I do not need to answer it.