(July 25, 2013 at 5:55 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: It's a hard problem to resolve (understatement of the century). Given the predisposed notions of your average person, the biases that plague them and the ever-growing-lazy-give-me-selfish-irrational attitude of Americans in general, it looks to be an unlikely problem to resolve. We'll find resolution to racism as soon as we get everyone to agree on religion.

Time will resolve the issue.

One will have to wait for the biggoted generations to finaly die and meanwhile prevent them from making their agendas part of the social routine.

20 years ago political, social aswell as cultural interactions between Europeans were dominated by nationalistic stereotyps who wouldn`t stay in their 19th century graves. Today with a generation of people who can more easily cross borders than ever before this is finaly dying out.

I guess this will also work for the US.

I hope you are right. Although, there are still quite a few chaps around here that hate ALL Texans for being from a state that fostered certain individuals to do things they disagree with. not like that's indicative of any unjustified prejudice being harbored within our very own cyber-safe-haven for lucid thought!

According to my parents, we are mostly Spanish with some Taino ancestors. Which means that some of my ancestors visited some very, very nasty behaviors upon the others. I figured the best way to get some closure was to pay reparations to myself. Mostly in ice cream. Things are still a bit touchy, but they're working out.

(July 25, 2013 at 6:19 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: I hope you are right. Although, there are still quite a few chaps around here that hate ALL Texans for being from a state that fostered certain individuals to do things they disagree with. not like that's indicative of any unjustified prejudice being harbored within our very own cyber-safe-haven for lucid thought!

I dont hate all Texans. I dont hate everyone living in what is considered to be "The South". Yet if they feel offended when I refer to their places as dumb and racist, I can only say that is not my biggotry but the behavior of the people in their state which made me jump to making such a statement.

Ha ha, I wasn't talking about you! Calm down Hitler!

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Ha ha...I hope the intended humor in that last remark doesn't get misunderstood.

(July 25, 2013 at 6:40 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: Ha ha, I wasn't talking about you! Calm down Hitler!

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Ha ha...I hope the intended humor in that last remark doesn't get misunderstood.

Nope. I have no problem with that, aslong as it is used in humor or not used in a unjustifyable way.

(July 25, 2013 at 1:48 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote:

(July 25, 2013 at 1:47 pm)whateverist Wrote: Insofar as slavery helped build the wealth of the nation and insofar as it did so at great costs to the enslaved people and their descendants, I think we owe it to them to at least maintain a society with true upward mobility and opportunity. Personally, in recognition of the fact that we don't have that, I would be in support of efforts to give the descendants of slaves a leg up at least in regards to access to college and financial support as needed to make use of it.

I don't have a problem with that specifically. I just don't see how that can be offered without the segregation implied by the requirements to qualify for them. Especially since both, the original perpetrators and victims are long since gone. We should be trying to move forward. Innocent people repaying relatives of victims seems to be a wasted effort..

If your very wealthy parents had been robbed and killed so that you had to be raised a ward of the court and then later it was learned that the progeny of the killers were living large on your parents wealth, would you consider your lost wealth a lost cause and the beneficiaries of your parents wealth blameless?

So long as being born into wealth in this country is what determines your prospects -and not your talents, intelligence or effort- how can you say that those trapped in the economy's basement should suck it up and just move forward? That kind of social contract is untenable.

(July 25, 2013 at 6:00 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote:

(July 25, 2013 at 5:55 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: It's a hard problem to resolve (understatement of the century). Given the predisposed notions of your average person, the biases that plague them and the ever-growing-lazy-give-me-selfish-irrational attitude of Americans in general, it looks to be an unlikely problem to resolve. We'll find resolution to racism as soon as we get everyone to agree on religion.

Time will resolve the issue.

One will have to wait for the biggoted generations to finaly die and meanwhile prevent them from making their agendas part of the social routine.

20 years ago political, social aswell as cultural interactions between Europeans were dominated by nationalistic stereotyps who wouldn`t stay in their 19th century graves. Today with a generation of people who can more easily cross borders than ever before this is finaly dying out.

I guess this will also work for the US.

And I guess since they're the ideas of the 19th century, they ought be wrong, yes?
I don't think so friend.

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(July 25, 2013 at 6:30 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote:

(July 25, 2013 at 6:19 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: I hope you are right. Although, there are still quite a few chaps around here that hate ALL Texans for being from a state that fostered certain individuals to do things they disagree with. not like that's indicative of any unjustified prejudice being harbored within our very own cyber-safe-haven for lucid thought!

I dont hate all Texans. I dont hate everyone living in what is considered to be "The South". Yet if they feel offended when I refer to their places as dumb and racist, I can only say that is not my biggotry but the behavior of the people in their state which made me jump to making such a statement.

Do you live there or have you ever been to the "south"?

I do not think that. What I think is that the color of ones skin alone, and number of family members in a bloodline of a certain skin color, should not at all determine whether or not one is ENTITLED to anything. There are plenty of people of different skin color and heritage that don't get things handed to them and do not get the luxury of appealing to a national tragedy for shortcuts. If there is something that can be provided to an AMERICAN that would give them an opportunity they were not fortunate enough to be born with, skin color should not be any sort of additional qualifying criteria in order to be granted it. That's what I think.

(July 25, 2013 at 7:18 pm)Texas Sailor Wrote: I do not think that. What I think is that the color of ones skin alone, and number of family members in a bloodline of a certain skin color, should not at all determine whether or not one is ENTITLED to anything. There are plenty of people of different skin color and heritage that don't get things handed to them and do not get the luxury of appealing to a national tragedy for shortcuts. If there is something that can be provided to an AMERICAN that would give them an opportunity they were not fortunate enough to be born with, skin color should not be any sort of additional qualifying criteria in order to be granted it. That's what I think.

Well, it is like this my friend, and it has been like this for the most part of history, if you think you're entitled to something, you take it, you don't wait for it to be given to you, for usually, if you feel entitled to something, someone else thinks that way too.
Indeed, just crying and waiting for someone to give you a bottle is the way of a baby, and people who have a form of shared consciousness who do these(minorities, nations) only demonstrate their own weakness.