Leave it to conservatives to believe that if they make something illegal, then people will stop doing it. You'd think by now they'd realize they can't legislate morality.

(July 26, 2013 at 4:28 pm)Faith No More Wrote: That "small group of cells," however, is not a person. It is a potential person. Big difference.

How do you know this?

(July 26, 2013 at 4:37 pm)Rahul Wrote: Yeah those back alley guys know what they're doing.

No, they may not, but you know what the solution to that is? Don’t have an abortion.

Quote: illegalizing abortions does not decrease the number of abortions.

How do you know this? Additionally, even if that were true (which I doubt it is), so what? We do not base our laws on such reasoning, if it could be shown that illegalizing rape doesn’t actually reduce the number of rapes I wouldn’t suddenly support the legalization of rape. Rape should be illegal because it’s immoral, abortion should be illegal because it too is immoral.

Quote: It just increases the body count of our women.

Apparently not if there were just as many abortions prior to the legalization of abortion (as you claim) and yet there’s no statistical difference in the mortality rate amongst women during those years. Where were all the dead women? There should be hundreds of thousands of them. Use all of the scare tactics you want, but they do not support your argument any.

(July 26, 2013 at 4:54 pm)Doubting Thomas Wrote: Leave it to conservatives to believe that if they make something illegal, then people will stop doing it. You'd think by now they'd realize they can't legislate morality.

Leave it to a liberal to use such an absurd argument; so you would support the legalization of rape since you admit it doesn’t stop anyone from doing it? Oopsies!

(July 26, 2013 at 8:02 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: No, they may not, but you know what the solution to that is? Don’t have an abortion.

How generous of you to tell everyone else how to live. How many times have you been pregnant?

(July 26, 2013 at 8:02 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: How do you know this?

I can read.

Quote:Unsafe abortion is a significant cause of maternal mortality and morbidity in the world. Most unsafe abortions occur where abortion is illegal,[3] or in developing countries where affordable well-trained medical practitioners are not readily available,[4][5] or where modern contraceptives are unavailable.[6] About one in eight pregnancy-related deaths worldwide is associated with unsafe abortion.[7]
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The World Health Organization (WHO) estimated in 2011 that each year nearly 42 million women faced with unintended pregnancies have abortions, of which 20 million are unsafe, mostly in countries where abortion is illegal.[3][8] According to WHO and Guttmacher, approximately 68,000 women die annually as a result of complications of unsafe abortion; and between two million and seven million women each year survive unsafe abortion but sustain long-term damage or disease (incomplete abortion, infection (sepsis), haemorrhage, and injury to the internal organs, such as puncturing or tearing of the uterus).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unsafe_abortion

(July 26, 2013 at 8:02 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Additionally, even if that were true (which I doubt it is), so what?

You're one sick fuck. I guess you don't have any female family members that you give the slightest shit about. Well I do.

(July 26, 2013 at 8:02 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: We do not base our laws on such reasoning, if it could be shown that illegalizing rape doesn’t actually reduce the number of rapes I wouldn’t suddenly support the legalization of rape. Rape should be illegal because it’s immoral, abortion should be illegal because it too is immoral.

Christians don't base their laws on rational reasons. I disagree that it is immoral. Who are you to dictate to everyone else what is and is not moral?

And the rape analogy is shit. And you know it. Utter shit.

(July 26, 2013 at 8:02 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Apparently not if there were just as many abortions prior to the legalization of abortion (as you claim) and yet there’s no statistical difference in the mortality rate amongst women during those years.

I like how you pulled that statement right out of your ass. What else do you have shoved up there?

(July 26, 2013 at 8:02 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: Where were all the dead women? There should be hundreds of thousands of them. Use all of the scare tactics you want, but they do not support your argument any.

Not scare tactics. Facts support my statements. Facts. I know you religious types have a weak grasp of what a fact is.

Quote:21.6 million women experience an unsafe abortion worldwide each year; 18.5 million of these occur in developing countries
47 000 women die from complications of unsafe abortion each year.
Deaths due to unsafe abortion remain close to 13% of all maternal deaths.

http://www.who.int/reproductivehealth/to...nitude/en/

Are you going to keep making blanket false assertions with nothing to back you up or can we act like mature rational adults?

Don't try to use facts on Waldork. He's a jesus freak. Reality slides off his back.

(July 26, 2013 at 8:02 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote: but you know what the solution to that is? Don’t have an abortion.

That is not a solution.

You are not a woman. You will never become pregnant. You will never be faced with the hard decision of either keeping it or getting rid of it. Only a woman can understand what it is like to carry a parasite in her body for nine months, and it should by all rights be her decision to have an abortion if she so chooses to have one. It is no man's prerogative to instruct any woman what she can or cannot do with her body.

So you sit around all week and then respond after I've already half forgotten this convo? Nice tactic. Well, I'm not going into this point by point with you right now because I've been at the hospital all day while a loved one had surgery.

I'm not in the mood for you today. But I will make one point. When you just now posted this:

(August 1, 2013 at 4:44 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:

(July 26, 2013 at 8:15 pm)Rahul Wrote: I can read.

That’s nice, but not what I asked. I asked how do you know that an unborn Human is not a person? That’s quite the claim and you’re going to have to back it up now.

Bullshit. This exchange below is EXACTLY what I was responding to with that statement:

(July 26, 2013 at 8:02 pm)Statler Waldorf Wrote:

(July 26, 2013 at 4:37 pm)Rahul Wrote: illegalizing abortions does not decrease the number of abortions.

How do you know this? Additionally, even if that were true (which I doubt it is), so what? We do not base our laws on such reasoning, if it could be shown that illegalizing rape doesn’t actually reduce the number of rapes I wouldn’t suddenly support the legalization of rape. Rape should be illegal because it’s immoral, abortion should be illegal because it too is immoral.

(July 26, 2013 at 8:15 pm)Rahul Wrote: I can read.

Nice deliberate attempt at misdirection, twit.

You know, if I had been the Virgin Mary, I would've coathanger'd the shit out of Jesus.

(August 1, 2013 at 5:37 pm)Rahul Wrote: So you sit around all week and then respond after I've already half forgotten this convo? Nice tactic. Well, I'm not going into this point by point with you right now because I've been at the hospital all day while a loved one had surgery.

How do you know what I’ve been doing all week? Hope your loved one is well.

Quote: Bullshit. This exchange below is EXACTLY what I was responding to with that statement:
Nice deliberate attempt at misdirection, twit.

How do you know that was a deliberate attempt at misdirection? You seem to think you’re all knowing today. Is it at all possible that I simply thought you were answering my question “How do you know this?” that I asked of FNM since you often jump into other people’s discussions? You should examine your own tactics first since you seem to enjoy quoting me out of context.

(August 1, 2013 at 5:45 pm)futilethewinds Wrote: You know, if I had been the Virgin Mary, I would've coathanger'd the shit out of Jesus.

Of course you would.