Another misses the point.

Freedom,

This is what your post was...

Ignore the spaces inside the brackets. I include them so the forum doesn't treat them like quotes.

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[ quote='BrianSoddingBoru4' pid='487564' dateline='1375483090' ]
Nice one. I loves me a good parable, I does.

Boru
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Thanks Boru. I should add that I was not entirely cruel, and that I did return to him afterward, and gave him a sandwich (which he ate while cursing me to eternal hell). Maybe he was mad that it wasn't a lobster sandwich.
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If you had instead put...

[ quote='freedomfromfallacy' pid='487569' dateline='1375484287' ]
[ quote='BrianSoddingBoru4' pid='487564' dateline='1375483090' ]
Nice one. I loves me a good parable, I does.

Boru[ /quote ]
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Thanks Boru. I should add that I was not entirely cruel, and that I did return to him afterward, and gave him a sandwich (which he ate while cursing me to eternal hell). Maybe he was mad that it wasn't a lobster sandwich.
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... it would be visible.

Annoying isn't it? That's what messed it all up. Happens to me all the time.

Question FFF's altruism all you want, GC. History has been questioning missionaries' for far longer.

Heck, ask my aunt why. She was a missionary in Liberia in '64. Her nursing skills, and bowls of gruel, were only availed to those starving enough not to mind endless bible study(on a god they previously knew nothing of). Many of the diseases she helped treat, her predecessors no doubt introduced. What a Christian sees as kindness, only becomes cruelty once the medicine and food dries up(which it did). All that was left was a newfound belief in a suddenly absent god. But hey...believe in Jesus.

On second thought, don't ask my aunt. She's too busy 'gifting' chickens to East Africans in honor of my kids' birthdays. I hope my kids don't give the avian flu to a starving child as a result.

I don't necessarily 'approve' of FFF's methods, but I definitely don't approve of Christians.

(August 3, 2013 at 12:55 am)Captain Colostomy Wrote: Question FFF's altruism all you want, GC. History has been questioning missionaries' for far longer.

Heck, ask my aunt why. She was a missionary in Liberia in '64. Her nursing skills, and bowls of gruel, were only availed to those starving enough not to mind endless bible study(on a god they previously knew nothing of). Many of the diseases she helped treat, her predecessors no doubt introduced. What a Christian sees as kindness, only becomes cruelty once the medicine and food dries up(which it did). All that was left was a newfound belief in a suddenly absent god. But hey...believe in Jesus.

On second thought, don't ask my aunt. She's too busy 'gifting' chickens to East Africans in honor of my kids' birthdays. I hope my kids don't give the avian flu to a starving child as a result.

I don't necessarily 'approve' of FFF's methods, but I definitely don't approve of Christians.

Hate to disappoint you, but we do not look for your approval or do we need it. I was talking about right here in this country but, missionary work in foreign fields are also a good point as to the hard work of Christians.

(August 3, 2013 at 12:20 am)Godschild Wrote: Today's new moral standard at work, two wrongs make a right. What's up with that, do you think by feeding this guy on occasion and talked to him a few times you did something earth shattering. There are Christian organizations that feed, cloth and shelter the homeless everyday, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year for years on end. They spend time with these people talking to them and listening to their stories every day, and never throw them a bone on a string, they love them, these people serve with little to no pay and why because they have a love for these people. Will you help this man like this every day for the next ten years, or do you find that your bone trick is the more pleasing way for you. Just remember you're not that far away from his shoes, you might think you're fine, but so have many of the homeless before they became homeless.

Typical theist - they think they know all about me and lump me into a disposable group that is tossed into eternal fire... some love you have there. For the record, I was once homeless for 18 months (I lived on the street and had a JOB the whole time, which is how I got beyond that situation). I fed this bum from my own table many times and I have also clothed him - all without being told to do so by some god. I was not baiting him any more than your (god) baits it's followers into doing whatever it demands (which apparently differs among christian groups). I was mirroring christian theology. You, like most brainwashed theists miss the point with stunning consistency.

(August 3, 2013 at 1:21 am)Godschild Wrote:

(August 3, 2013 at 12:55 am)Captain Colostomy Wrote: Question FFF's altruism all you want, GC. History has been questioning missionaries' for far longer.

Heck, ask my aunt why. She was a missionary in Liberia in '64. Her nursing skills, and bowls of gruel, were only availed to those starving enough not to mind endless bible study(on a god they previously knew nothing of). Many of the diseases she helped treat, her predecessors no doubt introduced. What a Christian sees as kindness, only becomes cruelty once the medicine and food dries up(which it did). All that was left was a newfound belief in a suddenly absent god. But hey...believe in Jesus.

On second thought, don't ask my aunt. She's too busy 'gifting' chickens to East Africans in honor of my kids' birthdays. I hope my kids don't give the avian flu to a starving child as a result.

I don't necessarily 'approve' of FFF's methods, but I definitely don't approve of Christians.

Hate to disappoint you, but we do not look for your approval or do we need it. I was talking about right here in this country but, missionary work in foreign fields are also a good point as to the hard work of Christians.

Making mud pies in a monsoon is hard work too, but all the builder accomplishes is dirtying his hands.

Same principle applies.

(August 3, 2013 at 1:24 am)freedomfromfallacy Wrote:

(August 3, 2013 at 12:20 am)Godschild Wrote: Today's new moral standard at work, two wrongs make a right. What's up with that, do you think by feeding this guy on occasion and talked to him a few times you did something earth shattering. There are Christian organizations that feed, cloth and shelter the homeless everyday, 7 days a week, 52 weeks a year for years on end. They spend time with these people talking to them and listening to their stories every day, and never throw them a bone on a string, they love them, these people serve with little to no pay and why because they have a love for these people. Will you help this man like this every day for the next ten years, or do you find that your bone trick is the more pleasing way for you. Just remember you're not that far away from his shoes, you might think you're fine, but so have many of the homeless before they became homeless.

Typical theist - they think they know all about me and lump me into a disposable group that is tossed into eternal fire... some love you have there. For the record, I was once homeless for 18 months (I lived on the street and had a JOB the whole time, which is how I got beyond that situation). I fed this bum from my own table many times and I have also clothed him - all without being told to do so by some god. I was not baiting him any more than your (god) baits it's followers into doing whatever it demands (which apparently differs among christian groups). I was mirroring christian theology. You, like most brainwashed theists miss the point with stunning consistency.

You should have known better than to treat him the way you did, seeing you know the situation. I was not criticizing what you had done, and believe it to be a good thing, I was criticizing your bone and string deal. You believe what God is doing is wrong and that gives you the right to do wrong to a fellow human, two wrongs do not make a right, even when the first is an illusion on your part.
I say good for you, pulling yourself up, but how do you know that a poor homeless person wasn't praying for you and God's grace was applied to your life? Just because you do not believe He is real doesn't make it so.

(August 3, 2013 at 12:55 am)Captain Colostomy Wrote: I don't necessarily 'approve' of FFF's methods, but I definitely don't approve of Christians.

Was the first responder actually the only one who understood that this tale was a parable? The "bum" is a real character, and I have fed and clothed him MANY times. Unlike christians, I would never make someone a promise of paradise that was contingent upon blind adherence to fantastic and wicked requirements. I posited this tale to mirror the christian model of "worship or die". Unlike the christian god, I am not that cruel.

(August 3, 2013 at 1:43 am)Godschild Wrote: Just because you do not believe He is real doesn't make it so.

In the absence of verifiable evidence to support his existence, by all standards of intellectual honesty it means that he does not exist.

You used your resources to gain a poor man's gratitude. Since he had nothing of physical value to offer you in return, he tried to share with you the most precious thing he had, his faith. You may think his faith is bullshit. Fine. You could have listened politely. Which is what you would have done if you wanted to respect his dignity as a human being. Instead, you abused your position of power and demonstrated to him that he was just another opportunity for some rich atheist fuck like you to "make his point."

Now you want people on an internet forum to congratulate you for giving some helpless man an object lesson in theology. You are below contemptible.