(September 6, 2013 at 6:47 pm)John V Wrote:

(September 6, 2013 at 4:50 pm)Ryantology Wrote: I'm sure that's great consolation after seeing your family brutally raped and slaughtered in front of you before some soldier bashes your skull against a rock.

I know that religion can't make a psychopath but it evidently attracts them in bunches.

Where do you get rape from?

From reading enough history (and the Bible) to know how conquering soldiers behave.

(September 7, 2013 at 11:20 am)Ryantology Wrote:

(September 6, 2013 at 6:47 pm)John V Wrote: Where do you get rape from?

From reading enough history (and the Bible) to know how conquering soldiers behave.

Of course it's so believable that the conquering soldiers that killed the girls' kin were just so handsome and sweet looking that the girls asked them out on a date and the love just went from there..

Theists are so disgusting in their misogyny.

(September 7, 2013 at 11:20 am)Ryantology Wrote: From reading enough history (and the Bible) to know how conquering soldiers behave.

Where in the Bible?

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(September 7, 2013 at 2:00 am)Esquilax Wrote: Because it provides direct harm to the individual. We as a society need to prize certain individual freedoms related to our ability to choose how to live our lives, because without them... we wouldn't have freedom of choice within our lifestyle.

OK, got anything that isn't completely circular?

Quote:Personal happiness is important,

Another bare assertion.

Quote:This doesn't need to be handed down from god, or ordained by priests, it's simply about harm to the individual. Deprivation of liberty is harmful. That's why kidnap victims don't like their kidnappers.

So far it seems it does need to be handed down from god, as you're unable to articulate a reason that isn't an obvious fallacy.

(September 7, 2013 at 10:43 am)Godschild Wrote:

(September 7, 2013 at 3:59 am)max-greece Wrote: All just a side affect of assigning good to God. Once you do that then any law or action from him is good by definition and you never have to question it again.

Worst case scenario for the religious is to have to come up with explanations are to why something appears to be so obviously vile and yet is part of the good God. The default is usually - it will all be made right in heaven.

The astonishing part is that followers of one religion can see this in another but not in their own. I am yet to find a Christian that will defend 9/11, for example yet within weeks you find Christian arguments saying something to the effect of "Christian Martyrs died for their beliefs - therefore there must be something to it."

Those Christian martyrs were not committing mass murder on the innocent. I'm yet to find an atheist who defends 9/11, that is unless you're the first.

GC

Just Samson then huh....

I do not understand how one can read passages like these and still consider god loving or real

If the world knew what the Israelites were doing during the times of Moses, he would have been held accountable for his crimes the same way Adolf Hitler was.

(September 7, 2013 at 2:24 pm)John V Wrote:

(September 7, 2013 at 11:20 am)Ryantology Wrote: From reading enough history (and the Bible) to know how conquering soldiers behave.

Where in the Bible?

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(September 7, 2013 at 2:00 am)Esquilax Wrote: Because it provides direct harm to the individual. We as a society need to prize certain individual freedoms related to our ability to choose how to live our lives, because without them... we wouldn't have freedom of choice within our lifestyle.

OK, got anything that isn't completely circular?

Quote:Personal happiness is important,

Another bare assertion.

Quote:This doesn't need to be handed down from god, or ordained by priests, it's simply about harm to the individual. Deprivation of liberty is harmful. That's why kidnap victims don't like their kidnappers.

So far it seems it does need to be handed down from god, as you're unable to articulate a reason that isn't an obvious fallacy.

Well number 31 has the joung girls put up as plunder for moses army.
And there is a another far reaching effect of slavery in addition to what ryantology and other have mentioned. It destroys the slaverhoders economy, because the practice increases slaves become more common and cheaper and it quickly becomes a cheap replace for hired men and with that joblessness soars and people either starve or go on the government cheque, for the reason it makes in impossible for argrarian cultures to advance.
By the way, god never comdemns slavery, or the rape of girls by the isrealites in times of war.

However the fact that you need god to tell you what is right and wrong instead of emplathy, well I mean this as honesty and not a ad hominem, It really makes me question your moral character.

I believe there's such a thing as a warranted ad hom.

(September 7, 2013 at 9:06 pm)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: Well number 31 has the joung girls put up as plunder for moses army.

The law regulates women taken in war. They are married to the captor after a 30-day wait. The law does not condone battlefield rape.

Quote:And there is a another far reaching effect of slavery in addition to what ryantology and other have mentioned. It destroys the slaverhoders economy, because the practice increases slaves become more common and cheaper and it quickly becomes a cheap replace for hired men and with that joblessness soars and people either starve or go on the government cheque, for the reason it makes in impossible for argrarian cultures to advance.

I agree. I haven't made this argument because I can't support it with actual statistics, but IMO the lower rate of slavery today is due more to economics than to morality. Note that, although a lower rate, there are more slaves today than ever before. Many of them are sex slaves.

Quote:By the way, god never comdemns slavery, or the rape of girls by the isrealites in times of war.

Again, it's not rape in war. Women were taken, held for thirty days, then married. Also note that in that culture arranged marriage was common, and women frequently didn't know their husband for that long before marrying. Also, if the marriage didn't work out, the woman was a free woman.

(September 8, 2013 at 6:54 am)John V Wrote: The law regulates women taken in war. They are married to the captor after a 30-day wait. The law does not condone battlefield rape.

But does it specifically forbid it?

Moses demands all non virginal females and male children put to the sword, too, and this after the fact. I guess even the soldiers hadn't planned on that. Nope, Yahweh's mouthpiece had to get that ball rolling. It would seem to me that anyone who 'plays up' the, ahem, restraint, of the army assuming they weren't raping is overlooking the rest of the horrors endorsed by their loving god.