I guess I seemingly bait and switched you there. It was unintended but I had already studied YEC and I was hoping maybe you'd have an alternative. I don't believe in supernatural events. I do believe in freak occurrences.

The alternative to YEC is reality.

Maybe I missed it, but I was wandering how local floodwater could cover a local mountain.
Secondly, a local flood would not kill all humans and would not require animals in an ark to replenish.
So to me, an exaggerated local flood could not match the significance of the bible story.

Taken at it's face, the flood story is childishly stupid in it's misunderstanding of physics and the water cycle.

There's no other alternative that exists than reality. Humans create alternatives to explain what we don't understand. It took me 27 years to face that reality

And long ago there may have been an excuse to create mythology to explain how natural phenomena work. Now, there is no more excuse beyond a continual insistence by some people to avoid reality.

They would be pitiable if they weren't so fucking annoying.

it rained for forty days and forty nights.

In Scotland that's called summer.

(September 30, 2013 at 12:49 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Maybe I missed it, but I was wandering how local floodwater could cover a local mountain.

Myths tend to stretch reality. We still do it today- pick up a comic book or an action movie and you will see humans doing extraordinary things and gods and goddesses doing miraculous things. We take things that we know and we experiment to see how far we can stretch them beyond what is believable. Heck, think about how often we exaggerate when we explain otherwise normal events. "Oh man, he knocked that guy into next week!!!" <-- that statement implies that punching people can achieve time travel.

It is no surprise that people who lived near areas that would routinely flood and occasionally experience massive floods would write stories about floods that didn't just overrun the river banks and destroy some houses, but that kept rising and did not abate until the whole world had drowned. I think that if those ancient people had heard some of these apologists explaining that the Earth was flatter so that mountains could be covered, they'd just shake their heads and laugh. "It's just a story, man. You future people sure are gullible!"

No, I don't think that it really was based off a local flood, as there were no human earthworks at the time and any flood observed would have had many previous floods for people to remember. I think it was a completely made up story that someone who had seen a flood before extrapolated into a wild assed story of god.

(September 23, 2013 at 2:38 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: If god is all knowing, then how come he doesn't seem to know that the flood will not accomplish his goal of eliminating sin?
If he did know that it would not work then why did he kill everyone anyway, including the new born babies, to young to sin, which by his own definition he murdered?
For the bible says

bible Wrote:Deuteronomy 24:16 ESV

“Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.

And also here in the Ten Commandments

bible Wrote:Exodus 20:13 NIV




You shall not murder.

I have posted this before

However - the most basic problem with the flood of Noah is that it NEVER happened

THERE is no basis to claim a flood of that magnitude happened on earth during the time humans have lived on earth - or for that matter - 2294 BCE - as is noted by the Jewish Calendar.

The problem is that a column of water as high as claimed would have destroyed EVERY man made object due to water pressure. And the Great Pyramid of Egypt - which was built 300 years or so before that shows NO water damage =- much less total destruction that would have happened.

And of course - the reason WHY - is because we have NO evidence that the jewish nation existed at that time either - since we have no evidence of a nation called Israel until about closer to 1000 BCE.

Once you investigate it - you realize that much of the old testament is NOTHING MORE than MYTH and LEGEND made up by a group of wandering goat herders in the middle east.

THere is also not a single mention of the christ - in ANY document that we have that can be dated to the supposed time of the christ. THERE are so many things about these stories that cannot be true - as to render them worthless.

I love how the flood myth proponents love to claim that "there are flood stories all over the world" but several societies, like the Chinese, existed at the time of the supposed global flood but have no record of it.