(October 1, 2013 at 12:11 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote:

(October 1, 2013 at 11:31 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Jesus created free will being not robots.
The free will beings do the evil.
Therefore there is a judgment to come.

The "free will" argument, eh? I was thinking about starting a thread about this.

God knows everything that will ever happen. God has a plan for all of us. Therefore, free will is totally negated.

God knew that Eve would be tempted by Satan and eat the apple, and he let it happen. Therefore, God planned on making humans suffer. God knew that the Gospels would be contradictory and cause confusion and argument. So again, God planned on causing mankind pain. It's all in his "plan" which negates free will.

Many Christians tend to forget about God's omnipotence snd omniscience. He's not just some guy sitting in front of the TV wondering what's gonna happen next. He knows all, and plans all.

Free will is not negated during this life.

And in the end everyone gets their way.

If you want to be with Jesus Christ for ever, just trust Him as Saviour.

If you do not want to worship God forever, God does force you to go to heaven at all. You can have your way forever.

---

(October 1, 2013 at 10:41 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: All I have to say is, stupid or really stupid?

God allows free will for a while.

He does punish evil and triumph over evil for eternity.

(October 1, 2013 at 7:22 am)Stimbo Wrote:

(September 30, 2013 at 6:13 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I do not believe in Santa.

Well, by your very first statement in this thread, this means you claim that there is no Santa. But that very claim is to pose an absolute negation about a jolly old elf. It would be extremely hard to prove such an absolute negation. Even if you could look throughout the entire Universe, which you cannot, and found no Satna, that still would not prove that Santa does not exist. It would at best prove that Santa could not be seen.

Because of this, it is impossible to claim absolutely that there is no Santa.

Etc etc. You see where I'm going with this..?

Now, to echo my previous post to you (which you haven't even acknowledged), do you accept all of the above simple logic? And if not, why not?

All I have to prove is that there is God Almighty and the Bible is His book.
The Bible will dispel any Santa.

Simple logic. God Almighty knows all.

(October 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 1, 2013 at 12:11 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: The "free will" argument, eh? I was thinking about starting a thread about this.

God knows everything that will ever happen. God has a plan for all of us. Therefore, free will is totally negated.

God knew that Eve would be tempted by Satan and eat the apple, and he let it happen. Therefore, God planned on making humans suffer. God knew that the Gospels would be contradictory and cause confusion and argument. So again, God planned on causing mankind pain. It's all in his "plan" which negates free will.

Many Christians tend to forget about God's omnipotence snd omniscience. He's not just some guy sitting in front of the TV wondering what's gonna happen next. He knows all, and plans all.

Free will is not negated during this life.

And in the end everyone gets their way.

If you want to be with Jesus Christ for ever, just trust Him as Saviour.

If you do not want to worship God forever, God does force you to go to heaven at all. You can have your way forever.

---

(October 1, 2013 at 10:41 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: All I have to say is, stupid or really stupid?

God allows free will for a while.

He does punish evil and triumph over evil for eternity.

So as I am not evil I have nothing to worry about, right?

(October 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: Free will is not negated during this life.

And in the end everyone gets their way.

If you want to be with Jesus Christ for ever, just trust Him as Saviour.

If you do not want to worship God forever, God does force you to go to heaven at all. You can have your way forever.

Then you have a useless god and I see no benefit to acknowledging its existence. More especially so since my life would be impaired drastically by having to incorporate an invisible man into everything I say and do.

(October 1, 2013 at 1:58 pm)Kayenneh Wrote:

(October 1, 2013 at 1:52 pm)Stimbo Wrote: Oh, he's not dumb, at least in the literal sense. On the contrary he's got a hell of a lot to say for himself. His trouble isn't his mouth, or his brain necessarily. It's his ears.

Wouldn't it be eyes (and fingers) in this case..?

Doesn't everybody use the Microsoft Voice Control adaptor that hasn't been invented yet?

Quote:All I have to prove is that there is God Almighty and the Bible is His book.
The Bible will dispel any Santa.

Simple logic. God Almighty knows all.

Yeah, all you have to do is demonstrate that Yahweh exists and the Bible is his book. Nothing to it, right?

Have fun with that.

(October 1, 2013 at 2:04 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote:

(October 1, 2013 at 12:11 pm)Beta Ray Bill Wrote: The "free will" argument, eh? I was thinking about starting a thread about this.

God knows everything that will ever happen. God has a plan for all of us. Therefore, free will is totally negated.

God knew that Eve would be tempted by Satan and eat the apple, and he let it happen. Therefore, God planned on making humans suffer. God knew that the Gospels would be contradictory and cause confusion and argument. So again, God planned on causing mankind pain. It's all in his "plan" which negates free will.

Many Christians tend to forget about God's omnipotence snd omniscience. He's not just some guy sitting in front of the TV wondering what's gonna happen next. He knows all, and plans all.

Free will is not negated during this life.

And in the end everyone gets their way.

If you want to be with Jesus Christ for ever, just trust Him as Saviour.

If you do not want to worship God forever, God does force you to go to heaven at all. You can have your way forever.

---

(October 1, 2013 at 10:41 am)Lemonvariable72 Wrote: All I have to say is, stupid or really stupid?

God allows free will for a while.

He does punish evil and triumph over evil for eternity.

If god is so big on freewill then why does he endorse slavery?

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: To believe that God exists does not require an absolute negation at all.

No one said that it does. What does that even mean?

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It just needs positive evidence that God exists.

It doesn't even need that.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: So there is no comparison.

Neither theists nor atheists can prove God does or doesn't exist. That's a fair comparison.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: I believe the Holy Bible is true.

I like carrot cake.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It claims to be from God Almighty.

That doesn't mean it is.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: It proves itself in many ways.

Not in any way that would prove the existence of God, apparently.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The atheists does not have a book which claims to be from their supreme being. It would say "I am God I do not exist"

This is not the way to be taken seriously. We don't believe there is a supreme being.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The Holy Bible is a record of historical events. These events show that God exist.

The Iliad being a record of historic events doesn't make its claims about the Greek gods true.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The atheist has no record of the no God''s actions.

Not believing in God does not necessarily entail believing in 'no God', and it's farcical to request a record of it.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The saved have the witness of the Holy Spirit in them.

Then the Holy Spirit is insufficient to the task of providing the saved with a good argument.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The atheists has the witness of the nobody.

Witnesses are notoriously unreliable.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The existence of the universe is a very strong proof of the existence of its Creator.

This is the fallacy of affirming the consequent.

If the universe, therefore God.
The universe.
Therefore, God.

This is equally as logical as:

If I am Bill Gates, I am rich.
I am rich.
Therefore, I am Bill Gates.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: The atheist must try to explain it away.

No need to explain away, largely, we're the ones trying to find out what actually happened. We want to know, whatever the answer is.

(September 30, 2013 at 7:37 am)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: All attempts have failed.

A good argument for not believing in God is that there are hundreds of arguments for the existence of God, and all of them are flawed. That much effort coupled with that much failure tends not to bode well. Not to mention that in real life, we don't prove things are real by arguing they are real, we prove things are real by showing the evidence for them.

(October 1, 2013 at 2:12 pm)SavedByGraceThruFaith Wrote: All I have to prove is that there is God Almighty and the Bible is His book.
The Bible will dispel any Santa.

Simple logic. God Almighty knows all.

Special pleading.

I have a book called "Twas the Night Before Christmas." That doesn't prove anything.