(October 2, 2013 at 8:32 am)Drich Wrote: Heaven is an extra demensional realm. It is not of, in or above this World. It is not on another planet. It is a level of existance that runs paralell to this one.

Moving goal posts. Christians used to believe that Heaven was just above the firmament.



Now that we know that there is no firmament or heaven up there in the open sky or in space, Christians moved the goalposts to claim it's some interdimensionary realm. When science disproves your beliefs, invoke magic.

(October 2, 2013 at 8:32 am)Drich Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 7:41 am)Brakeman Wrote: Where is heaven located now?

Bible thumpers used to believe that heaven, with it's buildings, gold roads and gold thrones resided in the clouds. Now that man rides airplanes and spaceships, where did god relocate heaven?

When you take the concept of Heaven and pair it with modern terms and definations, one phrase describes it best. Heaven is an extra demensional realm. It is not of, in or above this World. It is not on another planet. It is a level of existance that runs paralell to this one.

The only "dimension" heaven exists in is your imagination. Why do you have such a problem with reality? Do you really think life after you die will be any different than it was before you were born?

You really have an over conflated sense of self importance in a universe that doesn't give one rats ass about you, or me or this planet.

"Heaven" is a product of our species ignorance. It takes our natural drive to continue and turns it into superstitious bullshit in order to avoid our finite existence.

This is it, period, if you want to waste your life on fantasy, I cannot stop you. I find much more wonder and awe in reality than the inept writings of morons who had no clue of the nature of reality.

(October 2, 2013 at 8:32 am)Drich Wrote: When you take the concept of Heaven and pair it with modern terms and definations, one phrase describes it best. Heaven is an extra demensional realm. It is not of, in or above this World. It is not on another planet. It is a level of existance that runs paralell to this one.

Except some thing infinite couldn't be contained into something finite

Just head toward hell, then turn 180 degrees.

(October 2, 2013 at 10:35 am)Searching4truth Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 8:32 am)Drich Wrote: When you take the concept of Heaven and pair it with modern terms and definations, one phrase describes it best. Heaven is an extra demensional realm. It is not of, in or above this World. It is not on another planet. It is a level of existance that runs paralell to this one.

Except some thing infinite couldn't be contained into something finite

I don't allow theists to use "infinite vs finite" to fill in the gap with their imaginary sky daddy.

Science doesn't require a god of the gaps either way.

If one can accept that a hurricane does not need an ocean god to cause it, then the universe and what may or may not have caused it would not require a god as a cause either.

Believers simply do not want to face that god claims are merely childish reflections of their own wishful thinking and narcissism.

The truth is that the universe is a thing, like a tornado or hurricane. It does what it does without any hand and moves only on natural law.

I was talking about their 'heaven' being in a different dimension and how that's impossible. I don't know what direction you thought I was going.

(October 2, 2013 at 11:34 am)Searching4truth Wrote: I was talking about their 'heaven' being in a different dimension and how that's impossible. I don't know what direction you thought I was going.

The wrong one, obviously.

Duh!!

(October 2, 2013 at 8:32 am)Drich Wrote:

(October 2, 2013 at 7:41 am)Brakeman Wrote: Where is heaven located now?

Bible thumpers used to believe that heaven, with it's buildings, gold roads and gold thrones resided in the clouds. Now that man rides airplanes and spaceships, where did god relocate heaven?

When you take the concept of Heaven and pair it with modern terms and definations, one phrase describes it best. Heaven is an extra demensional realm. It is not of, in or above this World. It is not on another planet. It is a level of existance that runs paralell to this one.

Evidence or are you once again pulling shit out of your ass, Drippy?

(October 2, 2013 at 9:14 am)max-greece Wrote: You'll have to do better than that Drich.

Why? When all I need to is further explain?

Quote:It would have been proof positive that man couldn't do anything he wanted to (as in reach God).

How do you know what man wanted back then? Therefore how can you say He could or could not do what he wanted?

The objective of the Tower was not to visit God, but to put the men of bable on the Level of God. To put man (at least in the minds of the tower builders) on an even playing field as God. That was what was being broken up.

Quote: They wouldn't have got more than 30 stories before the building collapsed due to limitations of the building materials.

How do you know what building materials they used? The prymids are pretty close to 50 stories today, meaning take away erosion and weathering they great prymid exceeded 50 stories..

Quote:How long would it have taken them off the path? A year, 10?
It was a project doomed to failure- they couldn't reach God.

Ever try to build or assemble something with someone who does not speak your language? let alone coordinate all of the building materials, the workers, the support materials food shelter etc for the workers, directing workers, all of it would have been impossiable to push past, the very first time a different language was spoken.

Think about it no translators, no way to write or read these new languages. as far as anyone who did not speak your language was concerned you were possed.
As a shop manager I would say all work came to an end pretty fast.

gods used to live in the woods and seas.... then we looked and found them empty.
gods used to live on mount Olympus ... then someone climbed it and found it empty.
god used to live in heaven... somewhere in the sky... we now fly above the sky and it's empty
god seems to be running away from us what is he/she/it scared of?