(October 17, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Atheism is merely the "off" position on the issue of any god existing.

If something has an on off switch then to use it properly for the function it was intended it must be turned on.

Quote:And I have met atheists that don't do a damned thing to educate themselves as to why they are on the "off" postition.

Someone in authority must have told them to turn it off so they did.

Quote:However, the more educated a society is, the less religious they are.

Are more educated societies also wealthier societies? Societies with more material distractions and pleasures? True America seems to be an exception, they combined God and material excess somehow.

Quote: And the more deep into science and higher up the degree scale, the more likely they will be atheists.

That's because of a cultural influence from a community dominated by a the belief system of materialism. It's not because God and science are incompatible. You do know that most of the major scientific discoveries in history were made by theists?

(October 17, 2013 at 2:31 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: But my personal answer is yes. Shit happens.

Quote:Shit happens because?

Because of the vast complexity of natural events.
I really don't understand why you don't know this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chaos_theory

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XcuBvj0pw-E

(October 17, 2013 at 2:54 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: Because of the vast complexity of natural events.

A vast complexity of natural events happen because? Keep going until you get the answer.

(October 17, 2013 at 2:36 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: Secular Humanist morality is ripped from Christian/religious morality anyway seeing as you have nothing of your own.

No. No.

This is the most fucking horrible part of your religion, the way it steals all the good parts of humanity, hoarding them for itself, while at the same time shaming us all for the bad parts. You are just factually wrong here. There were secular moral systems that predate your religion that, funnily enough, include many of the same tenets of it, while excluding much of your old testament barbarism, and your ignorance of those when you decided to speak up is a testament to your own arrogance.

Besides, even if you were right, secular humanism sure as fuck improved your christian morality and brought it kicking and screaming from its self satisfied little pedestal: that's why there's never been any secular moral provisions for the killing of gays, or unruly children, or anyone of a different belief system, or slavery... all things your bible still has in it today.

Go educate yourself before you embarrass yourself further.

Quote: If you wanted to apply a rational scientific or an evolutionary based moral system it's already been tried before and it failed in horror.

Funny how you failed to mention any. Could it be that you're just pulling shit out of your ass like always?

(October 17, 2013 at 2:53 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:

(October 17, 2013 at 2:40 pm)Brian37 Wrote: Atheism is merely the "off" position on the issue of any god existing.

If something has an on off switch then to use it properly for the function it was intended it must be turned on.

Quote:And I have met atheists that don't do a damned thing to educate themselves as to why they are on the "off" postition.

Someone in authority must have told them to turn it off so they did.

I have never believed in god, not for one second.
I find it a childish and rather simplistic idea that gives easy answers to hard questions and thereby reveals itself as a product of the infancy of our species when the oldest person in the village was twenty with no clue as to how anything worked.

Religion is indistinguishable from myth as far as I can see so I regard it it the same way.

Interesting but not to be taken seriously.

(October 17, 2013 at 2:56 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: A vast complexity of natural events happen because? Keep going until you get the answer.

I'm going to go out on a limb and guess that we'll end up with a supernatural and ultra-complex being that was just always there and not created by anything else and decided after an eternity to make natural things supernaturally. Am I close?

(October 17, 2013 at 2:53 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:

Quote:And I have met atheists that don't do a damned thing to educate themselves as to why they are on the "off" postition.

Someone in authority must have told them to turn it off so they did.

And still going with telling other people about their beliefs. Why do you need to do this so much?

(October 17, 2013 at 3:04 pm)Zazzy Wrote: And still going with telling other people about their beliefs. Why do you need to do this so much?

They have to do it because their religion requires non-believers to fit a certain stereotype. To accept that people simply rationally dismiss their claims is to accept their claims as false.

(October 17, 2013 at 2:58 pm)Esquilax Wrote: No. No.

This is the most fucking horrible part of your religion, the way it steals all the good parts of humanity

Christ is the good part of humanity no-one stole him. You don't believe in God though so all of what we consider good in humanity has to be evolutionary instinct and neurological survival hardwiring, I appreciate that. You don't base your moral values on this so called fact of life though, good thing you don't.

Quote:Besides, even if you were right, secular humanism sure as fuck improved your christian morality

We share the exact same morality. Atheists are keen to point this out and try claim credit for it ignoring that much of this moral progress was spearhead by deeply religiously motivated people who valued people as God creatures and the world as his creation. If the world is as you think it is then we should care about what exactly? Making ourselves comfortable as possible before we die and are dissolved back into the uncaring cosmos? Of course atheists don't think this way but why? I'd say it's because there is more there than you claim there to be.

(October 17, 2013 at 2:53 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: [quote='Brian37' pid='526665' dateline='1382035242']

Atheism is merely the "off" position on the issue of any god existing.

If something has an on off switch then to use it properly for the function it was intended it must be turned on.

Quote:And I have met atheists that don't do a damned thing to educate themselves as to why they are on the "off" postition.

Someone in authority must have told them to turn it off so they did.


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So? Arabs invented algebra but you are not a Muslim. The Ancient Egyptians invented tools and innovated new styles of architecture to build those massive pyramids, yet you don't believe the sun is a God. Einstein has a Jewish background, but you are not Jewish.

Bill Gates ATHEIST, Mark Zuckerburg ATHEIST Steve Jobs ATHEIST. Those are just the ones you know.


Here are atheist scientists from all over the world.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_ath...technology

There is not one thing a believer can do that an atheist cannot. Because our evolution was not invented by your god. Humans have always had the ability to do good and discover new things and invent new things.

Auto technology and computer technology are mostly invented in China and Japan. Who are btw, kicking Americas ass in innovation.

Some inventors were believers, but that does not mean their god is real, not yours, not any.