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Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
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 (October 18, 2013 at 2:07 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote:(October 18, 2013 at 2:00 pm)downbeatplumb Wrote: there was sect of Christians that did cut their dicks off. Cant remember what they were called which is maddening. FIRST. Hell yeah. 
Lemonvariable72
Copenhagen School  Religious Views: Its all bullshit to keep you handing money to the usher. (October 18, 2013 at 2:09 pm)genkaus Wrote:(October 18, 2013 at 2:07 pm)rexbeccarox Wrote: Skoptsy? I shouldve thought of the fact of life I just explained to my father, if you have an idea, chances are 10000 other people had it first
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. 
Genkaus,
I'm happy - you nailed it - also happy to accept that proto-morality is less than 1% of today's - or whatever figure you want to use. Proto-morality just the starting point. Glad we got there in the end.
Kuusi palaa, ja on viimeinen kerta kun annan vaimoni laittaa jouluvalot!
 RE: Is There a Point To Living a Moral Life?
October 18, 2013 at 2:37 pm
(This post was last modified: October 18, 2013 at 2:45 pm by Mister Agenda.)
(October 17, 2013 at 9:04 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: See the problem with de-nihilists, is this. They trust their conscience, but not its source. They form ethical systems based on reason without accepting the basis of the world's rational order. Its been 14 pages of "works for me" without any reflection on why it works. Nihilism is the logical conclusion of atheism. De-nilhism is the refusing to face that conclusion. Did you make up that term yourself or did some other atheist-basher coin it for you? (October 17, 2013 at 10:33 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote:(October 17, 2013 at 9:04 pm)ChadWooters Wrote: See the problem with de-nihilists, is this. They trust their conscience, but not its source. They form ethical systems based on reason without accepting the basis of the world's rational order. Sounds like presuppositionalism to me. God invented reason so when you use reason without acknowledging God, you're doing it wrong. A more honest rendering of Wooter's last sentence would be 'They form ethical systems based on reason without accepting my view of reality as the basis of the world's rational order'. (October 17, 2013 at 10:33 pm)MindForgedManacle Wrote: And no, I'm not a nihilist in case you were wondering, though nor am I apposed to some forms of nihilism, even if I don't hold to them. But you've GOT to be a nihilist if you're an atheist! Wooters doesn't even leave that as an option! It's like you're saying it takes more than Wooters claiming something to make it so. It's not Wooter's opinion, it's GOD's, Wooter's just the middle man and it's not his fault that God didn't give him more persuasive material to work with.  (October 18, 2013 at 1:11 pm)genkaus Wrote:(October 18, 2013 at 12:14 pm)apophenia Wrote: Are you suggesting there are qualities that humans possess that aren't biological? Whether they are needed to survive or not, or are imperative, if the only qualities which exist are biological, then the set of non-biological qualities is empty, and your assertion is empty and false. When you decide to start dealing from your own private dictionary, please do us a favor and warn us. This is not what biological means. Full stop. This is an equivocation, and seems to clearly indicate that you understand neither biology nor evolution. (I'm also persuaded you don't understand the first thing about morality, but that contention hasn't fully clarified itself yet and will have to await another day.) Moreover, I suspect this equivocation is driven by your need to justify your compatibilist views and your moral theories. You're trying to carve a space where no space exists because you can't reach your conclusions any other way. (October 18, 2013 at 1:11 pm)genkaus Wrote: I regard human qualities related to consciousness - such as capacity to reason, sentience etc. - as non-biological in nature, even though I do accept that their mode of operation if biological. And no, this does not imply substance dualism. This is nonsensical double-speak. I can only assume you're dealing from your own private dictionary again. When you feel like communicating in English, please let me know. ![[Image: extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg]](https://i.postimg.cc/zf86M5L7/extraordinarywoo-sig.jpg)  (October 18, 2013 at 2:37 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: But you've GOT to be a nihilist if you're an atheist! "It's the emptiness that's left, it is like a despair destroying this world and I have been trying to help it." If you take "this world" to mean the world of faith/religion/belief in God. Yes so it would just be reality if it's true not nihilism but certainly it's still a very dark reality.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
 (October 18, 2013 at 4:19 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:(October 18, 2013 at 2:37 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: But you've GOT to be a nihilist if you're an atheist! Non-sequitur and a fallacious appeal to consequences.  (October 18, 2013 at 4:19 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote: If you take "this world" to mean the world of faith/religion/belief in God. Yes so it would just be reality if it's true not nihilism but certainly it's still a very dark reality. Could you do me a favor and stop talking about things you cannot possibly know anything about as if you're an expert?
"YOU take the hard look in the mirror. You are everything that is wrong with this world. The only thing important to you, is you." - ronedee
Want to see more of my writing? Check out my (safe for work!) site, Unprotected Sects! (October 18, 2013 at 4:24 pm)Cthulhu Dreaming Wrote: Non-sequitur and a fallacious appeal to consequences. If you're going to seriously reject the existence of God or a purpose to the universe/life you will have to face the consequences of the truth which is going to be a little bit nihilistic whether you like it or not.
Come all ye faithful joyful and triumphant.
Lemonvariable72
Copenhagen School Religious Views: Its all bullshit to keep you handing money to the usher. (October 18, 2013 at 4:19 pm)Sword of Christ Wrote:(October 18, 2013 at 2:37 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: But you've GOT to be a nihilist if you're an atheist! Sigh, most secular morality boils down to hedonism, which is usually applied in 2 ways. On a personal level use the golden rule as written by say Confucius ( or at least one of his students) and on a larger scale moral utilitarianism. These principles guide nearly every good moral decision made in the last 1000 year ( on a large scale) infact the us bill of rights is largely a embodiment of moral utilitarianism.
To-morrow, and to-morrow, and to-morrow,
Creeps in this petty pace from day to day, To the last syllable of recorded time; And all our yesterdays have lighted fools The way to dusty death. Out, out, brief candle! Life's but a walking shadow, a poor player, That struts and frets his hour upon the stage, And then is heard no more. It is a tale Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, Signifying nothing. |
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