(October 25, 2013 at 11:08 pm)catfish Wrote: I don't have to "justify" my alternate readings, they are mine. Personal and unique, dammit!

So it's not really about what the book means, but what you want it to mean?

(October 25, 2013 at 11:30 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(October 25, 2013 at 11:08 pm)catfish Wrote: I don't have to "justify" my alternate readings, they are mine. Personal and unique, dammit!

So it's not really about what the book means, but what you want it to mean?

No, it's "It's not what you say it means."...

(October 25, 2013 at 10:50 pm)snowtracks Wrote: didn't say important. seems the U. is rational, and rational would mean it's activity would have meaning. heat death or no afterlife would certainly imply nothing eventually matters. no, yes?

The universe seems rational because you're a human, and can hence recognize patterns enough to see a semblance of order, assuming you're willing to cherry pick and avoid all of the things that, really, don't make a lot of sense. There's nothing inherently rational about the universe because rationality is a process that takes place in minds.

As to your second statement, I have to ask again: why are you so afraid of personal meaning? Whence springs your desperation to have the details of your life dictated to you by a god?

(October 25, 2013 at 11:30 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(October 25, 2013 at 11:08 pm)catfish Wrote: I don't have to "justify" my alternate readings, they are mine. Personal and unique, dammit!

So it's not really about what the book means, but what you want it to mean?

Or at least "there are other posibilities."

(October 25, 2013 at 10:46 pm)catfish Wrote:

(October 25, 2013 at 10:41 pm)Brakeman Wrote: Did you have an explanation as to what quality of the kidney that caused them to create this supposed metaphor? Was it the piss? Was it the ammonia smell?

I didn't, the Lexicon did... "A.used of the inmost thoughts, feelings, purposes, of the soul"

More to the point, why do you still insist on the litteral reading?
Have you ever used the phrase(s) "kicked in the nuts" or "stabbed in the back" when you felt betrayed?
Would you understand that if someone else said either phrase to you?

Or are you just pretending to be an ignorant, intentional dick?

While I have used terminology just like this, it's always got that 'it's like being' tag in front of it.

And certainly writing or translating or transcribing a book that is supposed to be THE BASIS for all existence from here until doomsday, I wouldn't be using "and dude it was way too cool for school, esse" To describe something that was wondrous or amazing, breath taking.

I also wouldn't use the term 'knocked off' to describe a murder.


Or the word hooplah if I was trying to convey the term 'nonsense'....

(October 25, 2013 at 11:33 pm)catfish Wrote: No, it's "It's not what you say it means."...

A disagreement that requires more justification than "It doesn't mean that to me."

Look, the book has authors, right? And those authors would have to have had a specific meaning in mind when they wrote the words; there is actually only one correct answer when it comes to these interpretations, especially here in a case where the writers had special revelation from god, or what have you.

Saying that a word or phrase should be interpreted this way and not the other implies that you have a reason for saying so... or that you're stirring shit. Which is it?

(October 25, 2013 at 11:37 pm)Esquilax Wrote:

(October 25, 2013 at 11:33 pm)catfish Wrote: No, it's "It's not what you say it means."...

A disagreement that requires more justification than "It doesn't mean that to me."

Look, the book has authors, right? And those authors would have to have had a specific meaning in mind when they wrote the words; there is actually only one correct answer when it comes to these interpretations, especially here in a case where the writers had special revelation from god, or what have you.

Saying that a word or phrase should be interpreted this way and not the other implies that you have a reason for saying so... or that you're stirring shit. Which is it?

lol, your last statement... is so... ironic....

Christian on an Atheist forum = Irony

(October 26, 2013 at 12:09 am)Owlix Wrote: Christian on an Atheist forum = Irony

You're not aware of the staff, are you?