I don't see how I'm off topic. It's unreasonable for me to believe that a witch is benefitting "supernaturally" from the torments I face and so I should kill them to end the torment. Unless they're actively tormenting me then yea I'd kill them but it has nothing to do with them being witches and everything to do with my own survival.

(October 27, 2013 at 8:15 pm)Drich Wrote: The bible does not say God loves everyone. There are even those in whom God hates. The love of God is manifest in the forgiveness of sin for those who seek it. Otherwise we are allowed to be as crappy as we want to be. Why? Because we have the ability to sin. To God all sin is the same. If we are allowed to do one then all are on the table.

It seems that god loves those that love and worship him.

Here's an idea: MOVE AWAY.

Why is it: someone's tormenting me so I must kill them? Why don't you go to the police? Why don't you file a restraining order? Why don't you hire a bodyguard? Why don't you out the tormenter to the community? Why don't you videotape them killing your pet and have them put in jail?

(October 27, 2013 at 7:00 pm)Faith No More Wrote:

(October 27, 2013 at 6:21 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: I think it's fair to say that the general consensus is that being a whether or not someone is a witch is irrelevant when discussing the morality of killing

Which really gives you great insight into Drich's mind and how it operates.

Trim away all the bullshit and what you have is an avowed fan and supporter of genocide asking who he should be allowed to kill if he can come up with the right excuse.

missluckie, if you were directing that post at me, I meant only that if they were right this second physically tormenting me. Then yes I would probably resort to measures to stop them and I won't care if those measures end up killing them. The goal is not to kill them but to stop them, but I don't mind if death becomes a side effect if we're talking about them trying to torture/kill me, I'm not going to feel bad about that. I can think of a million situations in which I would resort to this level of self defence.

(October 27, 2013 at 8:13 pm)dgirl1986 Wrote:

(October 27, 2013 at 12:56 pm)Drich Wrote: Google it, Witchcraft is a real religion, albeit very benign today. A few hundred years ago it was the only real option to Christianity in the west. It's practitioners did all sorts of terrible things in the name of satan. Whether satan endowed those people with powers or not the underlying fact is that much torment and destruction was doled out in his name. Much like the crusades or inquisitions.

That in mind the question stands how much would it take to kill someone else who was trying to worship their deity by tormenting you/your family?

Witchcraft is not a religion. It is a practice. Witchcraft also has nothing to do with satan or satanism. Please do your research.

I will concede there is a debate, but it only seem to be a debate among those who want to seperate and give Wicca a legitimacy, from witchcraft. Just because there is a popular movement to deny the orgins of 'Wicca' does not mean the the "art of witch craft" somehow 'magically' stops fitting the dictionary definition of a religion.
(If you click on the right link it will provide you with the actual definition of the word.)

You have based your argument on 'feeling' and not fact. All three sources identify witchcraft as a religion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca

http://www.religioustolerance.org/witchcra.htm

http://www.realmagick.com/witchcraft-religion/

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(October 27, 2013 at 8:20 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote:

(October 27, 2013 at 7:57 pm)Drich Wrote: Now that the morality of killing a witch has been put aside, would you then go after or hunt a witch? What would it take to get to that point?

Well, it's not really a case of setting aside the morality of killing a witch. It's more a case of setting aside being a witch when discussing whether or not it can be moral to kill. In that regard, I think my limits would be the same as many other people. I couldn't really give you a list of criteria, since it would depend on situation, context, certainty of guilt, reliability of the judicial system in the matter etc....

The conditions you 'seek' are listed out in the op.

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(October 27, 2013 at 8:23 pm)missluckie26 Wrote: How about this Drich, Stimbo already gave an example of institutionalized targeting of witches by those who claim your religion, whose victims were burned alive, doused with acid, hammered in the head with nails or beaten and starved to death by the Pastors of "churches". And that's in this century.

How about you provide some examples (not from movies which are make believe, if you didn't know that) of witches killing others in the name of "satan". Or anyone else. In response to your hypothetical witch threat, I'd still say no. I always have and always will say taking away someone's life is not called for at any point of time unless they're actively physically attacking you with a threat to your life.

We've already had stimbo's/my old argument already, I want to do a new one. If you want ask stimbo or equlax to provide you a link to the old arguement.

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(October 27, 2013 at 8:25 pm)The Germans are coming Wrote: Drich...........


I am drunk.

So explain to me why burning a witch is sometimes a good thing.

You first, why was it good to burn... You know what Never mind.

(October 27, 2013 at 8:33 pm)Ryantology Wrote: Trim away all the bullshit and what you have is an avowed fan and supporter of genocide asking who he should be allowed to kill if he can come up with the right excuse.

I think this was more of a weak attempt to bring out the political correctness and then segue into witch burning apologetics and defending Christian atrocity and stupidity.

Your argument is unchanged, Drich. Why would the rebuttal be any different?

Tell you what, tell me that you believe the answer to your question is "It's never okay to kill no matter what" and you and I will have a new one.
Otherwise, deal with what you've started. You've claimed there are witches out there who worship Satan who torment and murder others. Now back up your assertion or concede you have none. Simple.

And it's Esquilax. You know that.

(October 27, 2013 at 8:37 pm)Drich Wrote: I will concede there is a debate, but it only seem to be a debate among those who want to seperate and give Wicca a legitimacy, from witchcraft. Just because there is a popular movement to deny the orgins of 'Wicca' does not mean the the "art of witch craft" somehow 'magically' stops fitting the dictionary definition of a religion.
(If you click on the right link it will provide you with the actual definition of the word.)

You have based your argument on 'feeling' and not fact. All three sources identify witchcraft as a religion

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wicca

Wicca??

Do you actualy know the origins of many christian rituals?

Do you know for example that the christian christmas tree and it`s celebrations have their origin in ancient Celtic festivals, which the Romans simply integrated to assimilate the celtic tribes of the Iberian peninsular, France, Britain and Austria?

There is more "witchcraft" in your religion than you may even be willing to accept.

(October 27, 2013 at 8:26 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I don't see how I'm off topic. It's unreasonable for me to believe that a witch is benefitting "supernaturally" from the torments I face and so I should kill them to end the torment. Unless they're actively tormenting me then yea I'd kill them but it has nothing to do with them being witches and everything to do with my own survival.

The reason your off topic is because you have assumed that all witches benfit from their practices supernaturally, when I clearly said in the op that was no a condition of what is being discussed. You see PBB whether satan affirms the efforts of said witch or not is not what is being discussed. Just like God is not obligated to bestow the same "spiritual gifts on to a believer" I assume the devil would be even less inclined to reward every single person with the same level of demonic power/access to magic.

My question asks what would you do if you were the instrument of worship whether or not satan accepted you as needing torment beyond whatever the person who is worshiping him can do on their own?

Can you see now why you are Completely off topic?