(October 28, 2013 at 1:49 am)Godschild Wrote: These people are taking Christianity and making it into what they want, they do not understand the OT and, that's why I keep harping on people need to study scripture and come to understand what the entire Bible is teaching. If an ol' southern boy can be taught by God what His purpose was and is, then I do not see why anyone else can't be the same. My interpretation of scriptures is a man trying to tell people about who God is, however as long as I listen to God and tell people what He teaches, then God is speaking to them through me. If a Christian can not find great satisfaction in God choosing them to present Himself to others, well I question why they want to be a Christian.

GC

The problem is this exactly. The conviction you have for that voice in your head, I guess we're just lucky it's not telling you to go kill someone, but you cannot for a second even consider that you may be wrong. You're quick to jump on how they got christianity all wrong, well, they're pretty sure they got it right, just as sure as you are, considering the only evidence you people need is that voice in your head, anything goes when it comes to religion.

(October 28, 2013 at 1:49 am)Godschild Wrote: These people are taking Christianity and making it into what they want.

GC

That is what all Christians do anyway, considering why no two denominations can agree on how to interpret the silly book.

(October 28, 2013 at 1:57 am)max-greece Wrote: "If an ol' southern boy can be taught by God what His purpose was and is, then I do not see why anyone else can't be the same. "

Interesting question - why is God failing so appallingly in these cases?

They are not listening, go to scripture it is taught there.

GC

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(October 28, 2013 at 2:27 am)Aral Gamelon Wrote: As a father myself, I say kill each and every priest that is directly responsible for the torture or death of a child. And then beat the living bejesus out of the parents who let it happen.

Do you condone this behavior for all who abuse children or is it just Christians?

GC

(October 28, 2013 at 3:54 am)Godschild Wrote:

(October 28, 2013 at 1:57 am)max-greece Wrote: "If an ol' southern boy can be taught by God what His purpose was and is, then I do not see why anyone else can't be the same. "

Interesting question - why is God failing so appallingly in these cases?

They are not listening, go to scripture it is taught there.

GC

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(October 28, 2013 at 2:27 am)Aral Gamelon Wrote: As a father myself, I say kill each and every priest that is directly responsible for the torture or death of a child. And then beat the living bejesus out of the parents who let it happen.

Do you condone this behavior for all who abuse children or is it just Christians?

GC

You don't listen to scripture - you read it - and I am sure they are doing exactly that. My question is why is your God failing to help them interpret it?

(October 28, 2013 at 2:59 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote:

(October 28, 2013 at 1:49 am)Godschild Wrote: These people are taking Christianity and making it into what they want, they do not understand the OT and, that's why I keep harping on people need to study scripture and come to understand what the entire Bible is teaching. If an ol' southern boy can be taught by God what His purpose was and is, then I do not see why anyone else can't be the same. My interpretation of scriptures is a man trying to tell people about who God is, however as long as I listen to God and tell people what He teaches, then God is speaking to them through me. If a Christian can not find great satisfaction in God choosing them to present Himself to others, well I question why they want to be a Christian.

GC

The problem is this exactly. The conviction you have for that voice in your head, I guess we're just lucky it's not telling you to go kill someone, but you cannot for a second even consider that you may be wrong. You're quick to jump on how they got christianity all wrong, well, they're pretty sure they got it right, just as sure as you are, considering the only evidence you people need is that voice in your head, anything goes when it comes to religion.

You may have read my post but, it's for sure your comprehension of what I said lacks greatly. One must compare there actions to the whole of scripture. I never said there was a voice in my head either that's your assumption or you're parroting what you've heard from others .
How do you know they are trying to be sincere Christians, they could be using Christianity to make money or give themselves power over others who have not read and learned from scripture, I have and condemn their actions. There are people all over the world who use Christianity for their own benefit, they are people who like to play with fire if you get my drift. They are just another type of nonbeliever.
So when one perceives to hear God says to them, do this or that, and it does not match up to the whole of scripture, then they need to question what they are trying to do, that is if they care to be the Christian God desires them to be.

GC

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(October 28, 2013 at 4:10 am)max-greece Wrote:

(October 28, 2013 at 3:54 am)Godschild Wrote: You don't listen to scripture - you read it - and I am sure they are doing exactly that. My question is why is your God failing to help them interpret it?

Listening to scripture means listening to what God teaches while one studies them. Sorry I guess I take for granted that everyone understood that. So now that I've explained it, They Are Not Listening, or they are pretending to be Christians for their own benefit and this last part is not what Christianity is about.

GC

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(October 28, 2013 at 3:31 am)Maelstrom Wrote: [quote='Godschild' pid='533168' dateline='1382939363']
These people are taking Christianity and making it into what they want.

GC

That is what all Christians do anyway, considering why no two denominations can agree on how to interpret the silly book.

You're wearing out that poor excuse and I'm tired of seeing it, get more original and quit using it, please.

GC

GC, you said got speaks to you and god teaches you. Is it too much to assume that it is through a voice? No matter, whatever medium he uses that you put so much conviction in, it's the same problem. You're dead set on your version, so are others, for the exact same reason. You think they cannot find scripture verses to justify their actions? You can find scripture verses to justify anything if you're imaginative enough. It's called interpretation.

"Listening to scripture means listening to what God teaches while one studies them. Sorry I guess I take for granted that everyone understood that. So now that I've explained it, They Are Not Listening, or they are pretending to be Christians for their own benefit and this last part is not what Christianity is about."

And the question still stands - why is God failing to help them interpret it?

Or, If you prefer:

Why is God making them understand?

Oh - and lets not employ the no true Scotsman - which is what you are trying to do.

better yet, why would god --who knows humans better than they know themselves-- put 'suffer not a witch to live' in there in the first place? I mean, C'MON!
Why is it wrong to not be able to discern the difference from the god of the old testament, vs the New Testament god? they're the same god, as god does not change …
So if your rebuttal is, no nono they aren't Christians for taking the Bible at face value, then, can't you see how idiotic you sound? the Bible was made to be spread to the masses. Surely god would have known what fickle, weak minded, corruptible, fear based, needy and superstitious mankind is.

Wouldn't you kill a paedophile?

So how is this different?

BTW, I would in a heartbeat.

If it meant sparing one child from this barbarity.

And fuck the personal consequences.

(October 28, 2013 at 4:24 am)Godschild Wrote: You're wearing out that poor excuse and I'm tired of seeing it, get more original and quit using it, please.

GC

That's not how these things work: you'd actually need to correct the grievance before you're justified in calling our claims tired. This one still applies. Understand this, GC: the reason we keep going back to the same arguments isn't because we lack originality, it's because your side is so spectacularly inept at correcting itself, and at times even absorbing the complaints people have against it.

But how like a christian to project his own side's failings onto the opposition.