(OP) It depends...Am I really really really sure that God told me to do it? If so, that, and whatever else he tells me is perfectly legal! #God > Conscience

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(October 28, 2013 at 4:24 am)Godschild Wrote: There are people all over the world who use Christianity for their own benefit, they are people who like to play with fire if you get my drift. They are just another type of nonbeliever.
So when one perceives to hear God says to them, do this or that, and it does not match up to the whole of scripture, then they need to question what they are trying to do, that is if they care to be the Christian God desires them to be.

You seem to be saying that those who interpret the bible wrong, are delusional? Is this true? You cannot be saying that everyone in the world that claims God is telling them to do something that is different than what you hear is lying. Delusional seems like a reasonable alternatvie explanation.

If they are delusional (Those that hear different things), how can you know that you are not delusional? Afterall, don't delusional people not know that they are delusional? Isn't that kinda what it means?

(October 28, 2013 at 4:34 am)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: GC, you said got speaks to you and god teaches you. Is it too much to assume that it is through a voice? No matter, whatever medium he uses that you put so much conviction in, it's the same problem. You're dead set on your version, so are others, for the exact same reason. You think they cannot find scripture verses to justify their actions? You can find scripture verses to justify anything if you're imaginative enough. It's called interpretation.

Again you're reading without comprehension, I stated the whole of scripture, a persons belief and action must conform to the whole of the scriptures. I use the whole of the scriptures most of the time, I'm sure that I fail at times but I'm not looking to justify what I think scripture says, I want to present it as God intends.

GC

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(October 28, 2013 at 4:40 am)max-greece Wrote: "Listening to scripture means listening to what God teaches while one studies them. Sorry I guess I take for granted that everyone understood that. So now that I've explained it, They Are Not Listening, or they are pretending to be Christians for their own benefit and this last part is not what Christianity is about."

And the question still stands - why is God failing to help them interpret it?

Or, If you prefer:

Why is God making them understand?

Oh - and lets not employ the no true Scotsman - which is what you are trying to do.

I'm not employing the no true Scotsman. They either are not listening or they are trying to self satisfy, Christians need to learn the only true satisfaction comes from God. So, God doesn't fail, people choose not to learn the truth.

GC

"So, God doesn't fail, people choose not to learn the truth."

Always the answer isn't it. Its never God that fails - always the listener. Doesn't it strike you as odd that an almighty can be so easily thwarted? How can he be SO powerless? Supposed horrors inflicted in his name (quite possibly wrongly) against innocents and he is unable or unwilling to step in and stop it - dead.

This leaves us with either he can't or he won't and neither look good for his claims of being the almighty.

(October 28, 2013 at 6:01 am)missluckie26 Wrote: better yet, why would god --who knows humans better than they know themselves-- put 'suffer not a witch to live' in there in the first place? I mean, C'MON!
Why is it wrong to not be able to discern the difference from the god of the old testament, vs the New Testament god? they're the same god, as god does not change …
So if your rebuttal is, no nono they aren't Christians for taking the Bible at face value, then, can't you see how idiotic you sound? the Bible was made to be spread to the masses. Surely god would have known what fickle, weak minded, corruptible, fear based, needy and superstitious mankind is.

Yes the God of the OT is the God of the NT. What you are confusing is why God said that in the OT and it's not part of the NT. I could explain it to you but, you know as well as I do you'll reject it no matter how true it is. So I want waste my time if you don't mind.
I may sound idiotic to you but, that means nothing to me or the truth. Sure he knew and knows, do scientist keep their work to themselves because some will not accept it and others will misuse it or misrepresent it. If those who receive the Gospel of Christ ignore it's truths then what good are they to God's kingdom?

GC

I think GC just keeps proving my point again and again. If you're in a position where the only evidence you have cannot be verified by others and yet refuse to admit you could ever be wrong, you're in a very dangerous position. Every time you say "as god intends", since god doesn't exist, it is what you intend. So you read the bible the way you like it, jsut like all the other christians. But you're always right and everyone is always wrong when they contradict you. Because you can't be wrong, god is on your side.

(October 28, 2013 at 1:47 pm)Godschild Wrote: Yes the God of the OT is the God of the NT. What you are confusing is why God said that in the OT and it's not part of the NT.

Given that Jesus said that not a single part of the law would change until all had come to pass, or whatever, I think I could make a pretty good case that the OT applies even today. You obviously disagree, and yet I predict that when I ask you to justify why this is, as I will now, you'll call me a christ-hater, or scoff and tell me to read the bible... and that'll be it.

Care to prove me wrong on that score?

Quote: I could explain it to you but, you know as well as I do you'll reject it no matter how true it is.

It must be nice to put on the self righteous airs of a persecution complex without ever experiencing the negative effects of persecution, huh?

Quote:I may sound idiotic to you but, that means nothing to me or the truth. Sure he knew and knows, do scientist keep their work to themselves because some will not accept it and others will misuse it or misrepresent it. If those who receive the Gospel of Christ ignore it's truths then what good are they to God's kingdom?

Care to demonstrate the truth of the gospels, then?

(October 28, 2013 at 6:10 am)Texas Sailor Wrote: (OP) It depends...Am I really really really sure that God told me to do it? If so, that, and whatever else he tells me is perfectly legal! #God > Conscience

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(October 28, 2013 at 4:24 am)Godschild Wrote:

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There are people all over the world who use Christianity for their own benefit, they are people who like to play with fire if you get my drift. They are just another type of nonbeliever.
So when one perceives to hear God says to them, do this or that, and it does not match up to the whole of scripture, then they need to question what they are trying to do, that is if they care to be the Christian God desires them to be.

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You seem to be saying that those who interpret the bible wrong, are delusional? Is this true? You cannot be saying that everyone in the world that claims God is telling them to do something that is different than what you hear is lying. Delusional seems like a reasonable alternatvie explanation.

If they are delusional (Those that hear different things), how can you know that you are not delusional? Afterall, don't delusional people not know that they are delusional? Isn't that kinda what it means?

No, you're the one implying they are delusional. I'm saying there are those who purposely us the scriptures to their own benefit and couldn't care less about believing in God. I'm sure that many know more and greater truths from the scriptures however people that kill children for being witches are not some of those people, they do not look at the whole of scripture as God teaches it, if they did they would understand that the greatest power they have is prayer. The one I see as delusional is you, and that does come from scripture.

GC

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(October 28, 2013 at 1:50 pm)pineapplebunnybounce Wrote: I think GC just keeps proving my point again and again. If you're in a position where the only evidence you have cannot be verified by others and yet refuse to admit you could ever be wrong, you're in a very dangerous position. Every time you say "as god intends", since god doesn't exist, it is what you intend. So you read the bible the way you like it, jsut like all the other christians. But you're always right and everyone is always wrong when they contradict you. Because you can't be wrong, god is on your side.

Now you're being flat out dishonest. Me in a dangerous place, I'm in the protective hands of God, I have nothing to fear. You have purposely ignored what I have said because it's the only way you can get around the truth, just like those I was speaking of, you in reality have placed yourself in their shoes, how sad. I've never claimed to know everything about scripture, that's why I need to maintain my relationship with God, I need to learn more about my Savior every day. God is on my side but, yes I can be wrong about things in scripture, that's why I do not post on every thread, unlike some of our all knowing nonbelievers here.

GC

So either you didn't read what I wrote or you didn't understand it. Epic fail. Thanks for confirming my point.

I'm not willing to fly to Africa and start being a vigilante, but a lot more needs to be done about this than opening a shelter for abused kids. Their tormentors must be stopped. Please tell me these exorcisms of children involving beatings and torture are illegal.

(October 28, 2013 at 4:43 pm)Mister Agenda Wrote: I'm not willing to fly to Africa and start being a vigilante, but a lot more needs to be done about this than opening a shelter for abused kids. Their tormentors must be stopped. Please tell me these exorcisms of children involving beatings and torture are illegal.

They should be, however that is a matter the government of that country must address.

GC