(November 2, 2013 at 8:34 am)enrico Wrote: English is not my mother language so it is obvious that i may do some mistakes here and there.

No shit Sherlock.

Do you think you are the first, indeed the only, person here whose first language isn't English? Yet most don't have so much trouble making themselves clear, nor do they whine as much and use the fact as an excuse, never mind portraying it as our problem. The issue isn't so much with the words you're using, they're actually very easy to understand and generally make sense. No, the problem lies with what you're trying to make the words do. The great Edward Lear made a career out of nonsense verse and sketches; he'd probably have jacked it all in if he'd ever met you.

(November 2, 2013 at 8:45 am)enrico Wrote:

(November 2, 2013 at 8:21 am)whateverist Wrote: Newsflash: we already know that atheism has no foundations. Atheism is but the lack of something which is no thing in itself. It is what you believe which requires foundations of dogma. It is you who are full of hot air.

You are contradicting yourself.
You say or you back those who say that life is finite (stating a so called truth) and then you say that atheism is ..............but lack of something which is no thing in itself.
I just wonder if you know what the hell are you talking about.
If you say that Atheism has no foundations then what is a truth of yours if not a foundation?

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(November 2, 2013 at 8:39 am)whateverist Wrote: And I suppose you know that because, unlike neuroscientists, you are actually conscious of where your consciousness comes from? You really are clueless of how pompous and ridiculous you sound, aren't you?

There is a science that bring to the surface the hidden conscious and that science is called INTUITIONAL SCIENCE.
Do the neuroscientists practice that science?
That is the problem.
The day that these guys will then they will understand how the system works.
In the meantime the dwarf clown do practice that science so he may know something about it.
He does not know everything of course but more everyday which is more then what a neuroscientis does.

Enrico did you know that all sheep are black. I proved because I can see, just you don't see properly because you don't know.

If I can't be god I don't see why anyone else should be.
I submitted a sublime claim for recognition as a god but it was rejected, I know the whole recognition process is corrupted, has been for millennia. That's the problem with the whole theist thing, they don't let and anyone new into the pantheon.

At first, Enrico's posts were poop, but over time He has improved his "writing" and is more legible now.

Even though his messages still have silly intentions behind them, I say kudos to Enrico for improvement.

Oh Rico. What am I to make of you? Your 'teacher' gave you a beautiful garment which only the enlightened can see. Now you wear it proudly, indifferent to the rabble which calls out that you are naked. Rico, you got nothing.

(November 2, 2013 at 8:45 am)enrico Wrote:

(November 2, 2013 at 8:21 am)whateverist Wrote: Newsflash: we already know that atheism has no foundations. Atheism is but the lack of something which is no thing in itself. It is what you believe which requires foundations of dogma. It is you who are full of hot air.

You are contradicting yourself.
You say or you back those who say that life is finite (stating a so called truth) and then you say that atheism is ..............but lack of something which is no thing in itself.
I just wonder if you know what the hell are you talking about.
If you say that Atheism has no foundations then what is a truth of yours if not a foundation?

Atheism does not hold that life is finite. What lies on the other side of death is a mystery. My hunch is that what comes next does not include me. Atheism gives me no certainty on this matter nor on any other 'big question'. I have my hunches and other atheists will have theirs but there is no orthodoxy here. Why do you think otherwise?

(November 2, 2013 at 8:45 am)enrico Wrote:

(November 2, 2013 at 8:39 am)whateverist Wrote: And I suppose you know that because, unlike neuroscientists, you are actually conscious of where your consciousness comes from? You really are clueless of how pompous and ridiculous you sound, aren't you?

There is a science that bring to the surface the hidden conscious and that science is called INTUITIONAL SCIENCE.

We've gone over this ground before. Your Intuitional Science is no more science than Christian Science. The word "science" is misapplied in both cases. The only difference is that when a Christian Scientist is asked to justify his assertions he will answer "because the bible .." whereas you answer "because my teacher ..". Science is not about authoratative knowledge sources.

(November 2, 2013 at 11:11 am)whateverist Wrote: Atheism does not hold that life is finite. What lies on the other side of death is a mystery. My hunch is that what comes next does not include me. Atheism gives me no certainty on this matter nor on any other 'big question'. I have my hunches and other atheists will have theirs but there is no orthodoxy here. Why do you think otherwise?

Opshhh, here we got a big problem dear Wt.
Almost all atheist in this forum say that life is finite so you must be a beacon of light among the total darkness in saying that this is not the case.
But wait a minute.
A beacon of light is a truth and as far as i can see you are not saying any truth.
You say that you do not know which is a lot better then saying crap like saying that life is finite without bringing any evidence with.
I am considering to give a kudos or two for your honesty.

Quote:We've gone over this ground before. Your Intuitional Science is no more science than Christian Science. The word "science" is misapplied in both cases. The only difference is that when a Christian Scientist is asked to justify his assertions he will answer "because the bible .." whereas you answer "because my teacher ..". Science is not about authoratative knowledge sources.

Gee, after coming down with some decent comment you reverse to the usual dogma.
How sad.
There is no such a thing as christian science as religions are based on dogma not science.
Spirituality on the other hand is based on science as the spiritualist search for knowledge within and that search is called INTUITIONAL SCIENCE.
A spiritual teacher does not say..........this is the truth .......but say.....you search within and you will know the truth.

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(November 2, 2013 at 9:45 am)Stimbo Wrote: The issue isn't so much with the words you're using, they're actually very easy to understand and generally make sense. No, the problem lies with what you're trying to make the words do. The great Edward Lear made a career out of nonsense verse and sketches; he'd probably have jacked it all in if he'd ever met you.

You see Stimbo, you had a real good run for so long dealing with religious people.
In fact you had a FIELD DAY that lasted for too long.
Dealing with dogmas or false truth is too easy so when enrico pop up you could not understand what he was talking about and still now you find too difficult to understand.
That is the problem that arise when you do not work very hard with your consciousness.
Religions do not deal with consciousness so you never had to think very hard in that sense.
On the other hand also atheism does not make you work very hard as it is totally devoid of consciousness arguments.
One day probably in the next life or the one after you will realize how hard is to build up consciousness and you will regret the day that you say that what enrico say is a nonsense.

You arrogant SOB, even when everyone is telling you, that you are wrong, its clear that you haven't even considered the possibility. Why do you think none of our theists are jumping in to save you from these mean atheists? They believe life is infinite too I would think. The answer is: they aren't coming to your defence, because even they can see how deluded you are. Even they notice your complete lack of reason, logic, discussion skills etc.....

(November 4, 2013 at 10:55 am)enrico Wrote: One day probably in the next life or the one after you will realize how hard is to build up consciousness and you will regret the day that you say that what enrico say is a nonsense.

Wow Rico - you hit xtian cliché #44 all by yourself! Congratulations on evolving into yet another predictable mouthpiece!

(November 4, 2013 at 5:18 pm)Stimbo Wrote:

(November 4, 2013 at 10:55 am)enrico Wrote: One day probably in the next life or the one after you will realize how hard is to build up consciousness and you will regret the day that you say that what enrico say is a nonsense.

Wow Rico - you hit xtian cliché #44 all by yourself! Congratulations on evolving into yet another predictable mouthpiece!

Stimbo, Stimbo the problem when you write in a hurry is that you tend to forget so many things.
When christians say these things they contradict themselves as christianity does not believe in physical reincarnation.
On the contrary spirituality does believe so in this case it is possible that you one day will change your mind.
As i just said yesterday you are still used to deal with religious dogmas and this prevent you from develop your consciousness, at the same time you tend to feel knowledgeable.
All at no avail.

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(November 4, 2013 at 11:46 am)Rationalman Wrote: You arrogant SOB, even when everyone is telling you, that you are wrong, its clear that you haven't even considered the possibility. Why do you think none of our theists are jumping in to save you from these mean atheists? They believe life is infinite too I would think. The answer is: they aren't coming to your defence, because even they can see how deluded you are. Even they notice your complete lack of reason, logic, discussion skills etc.....

You are spewing total crap.
Even Wt in his post said that atheism is not sure about the fact that life is finite so what are you whining about?
I suggest to put your mind at rest and realize that without evidence theories are like farts.
As far as theists not coming to my help what theists there are in this forum other then religious people and these people have very very little in common with me especially the christians which do not believe in physical reincarnation.
You are not paying attention to what people say and that make you say a lot of rubbish.

(November 5, 2013 at 7:59 am)enrico Wrote: You are spewing total crap.
Even Wt in his post said that atheism is not sure about the fact that life is finite so what are you whining about?

I'm not talking as an atheist. I'm talking as a scientist. There is no evidence that life is infinite and there is no evidence for reincarnation.

(November 5, 2013 at 7:59 am)enrico Wrote: I suggest to put your mind at rest and realize that without evidence theories are like farts.

So why then, do you continue to argue for infinite life and reincarnation when there is no evidence for it?

(November 5, 2013 at 7:59 am)enrico Wrote: As far as theists not coming to my help what theists there are in this forum other then religious people and these people have very very little in common with me especially the christians which do not believe in physical reincarnation.

No no no, you aren't getting out of this one, we were arguing over whether life is infinite, its nothing to do with reincarnation. Theists believe in an afterlife, heaven etc. So you would think they would be backing you up on this, but they aren't. It has quite a few implications.

(November 5, 2013 at 7:59 am)enrico Wrote: You are not paying attention to what people say and that make you say a lot of rubbish.

The hypocrisy here is just incredibly. I have never known anyone to be so delusional. You have no grasp on reality at all. You are an insufferable, arrogant, ignorant fool. You are paying no attention to what anyone has been saying this whole time. No matter what evidence we present, no matter what arguments we present, you don't listen and merely dismiss them because they sound absurd to you.