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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
November 5, 2013 at 3:01 am
(November 5, 2013 at 1:45 am)Godschild Wrote: (November 5, 2013 at 12:46 am)orogenicman Wrote: If you expect us to believe that your personal revelations are true, then you are going to have to prove to us that they are true. If you don't believe that you are under any obligation to prove them to be true, why tell us in the first place - what's the point? You do realize that no one is under any obligation to believe unsubstantiated claims, right? So why waste everyone's time?
For someone so well educated and great at space photographs, you are having trouble understanding what I said, right?
GC
I understood what you said. I also understood what you said elsewhere. It's not like either of us are new to the forum. You have made statements about your beliefs, and it is clear that you expect us to take you at your word. Sorry, Charlie, that isn't how it works.
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"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
November 5, 2013 at 2:01 pm
(November 5, 2013 at 3:01 am)orogenicman Wrote: (November 5, 2013 at 1:45 am)Godschild Wrote: For someone so well educated and great at space photographs, you are having trouble understanding what I said, right?
GC
I understood what you said. I also understood what you said elsewhere. It's not like either of us are new to the forum. You have made statements about your beliefs, and it is clear that you expect us to take you at your word. Sorry, Charlie, that isn't how it works.
Stating what I know to be truth does not mean I believe you will take it as truth, I do hope someone would investigate if what I say peaks their interest, like you said, we've been here for a while and I know how others see things.
GC
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
November 5, 2013 at 2:11 pm
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(November 4, 2013 at 11:42 am)Godschild Wrote: The revelations are for me not you, if they were for you I would have told you. I do not have to prove my God's revelations to you, they are a part of my relationship with God. If you are wanting to experience revelations from God I suggest you come to know Him as your Lord and savior.
GC
He knows the voices in his head are from God.
It just so happens this god goes by the name "schizophrenia" amongst people who investigated these things more thoroughly and rigorously then any prophets or saints could have imagined.
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
November 5, 2013 at 4:03 pm
(November 5, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Godschild Wrote: (November 5, 2013 at 3:01 am)orogenicman Wrote: I understood what you said. I also understood what you said elsewhere. It's not like either of us are new to the forum. You have made statements about your beliefs, and it is clear that you expect us to take you at your word. Sorry, Charlie, that isn't how it works.
Stating what I know to be truth does not mean I believe you will take it as truth, I do hope someone would investigate if what I say peaks their interest, like you said, we've been here for a while and I know how others see things.
GC
We do, in fact, investigate what you say, and that's why we so frequently call you on your bullshite. The fact remains that if you can't be bothered to support your claims, no one is under any obligation to believe that they have any credibility. And you apparently are good with that. So again, if that is the case, why are you here? What's the point?
'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
November 5, 2013 at 4:19 pm
(November 5, 2013 at 4:03 pm)orogenicman Wrote: So again, if that is the case, why are you here? What's the point?
Because he is both petulent enough to believe merely because he wanted to believe, and insecure enough to need affirmation for the result of his petulence?
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
November 5, 2013 at 4:37 pm
(November 5, 2013 at 4:03 pm)orogenicman Wrote: (November 5, 2013 at 2:01 pm)Godschild Wrote: Stating what I know to be truth does not mean I believe you will take it as truth, I do hope someone would investigate if what I say peaks their interest, like you said, we've been here for a while and I know how others see things.
GC
We do, in fact, investigate what you say, and that's why we so frequently call you on your bullshite. The fact remains that if you can't be bothered to support your claims, no one is under any obligation to believe that they have any credibility. And you apparently are good with that. So again, if that is the case, why are you here? What's the point?
I'm here to learn more about God, seems an odd place to do that, eh. But not really, I get questions here that I will not get at church, so when I find the answer for myself it serves to strengthen my knowledge of God's truth. No one here investigates what I say except for DP, even though we disagree on almost every point I have respect for a man that will get out the Bible and investigate what's said.
GC
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
November 5, 2013 at 6:37 pm
(November 5, 2013 at 4:37 pm)Godschild Wrote: (November 5, 2013 at 4:03 pm)orogenicman Wrote: We do, in fact, investigate what you say, and that's why we so frequently call you on your bullshite. The fact remains that if you can't be bothered to support your claims, no one is under any obligation to believe that they have any credibility. And you apparently are good with that. So again, if that is the case, why are you here? What's the point?
I'm here to learn more about God, seems an odd place to do that, eh. But not really, I get questions here that I will not get at church, so when I find the answer for myself it serves to strengthen my knowledge of God's truth. No one here investigates what I say except for DP, even though we disagree on almost every point I have respect for a man that will get out the Bible and investigate what's said.
GC
OMG, you really are out there in la la land. Poor dear. I'd pray for you except - - - I don't believe in prayer! So I guess you are screwed. Lots of us have investigated what you say, and have found it to be utter crap. Sorry, I cannot be kind about this. Because you would have us believe not only that you have your god's phone number, but that you two have frequent conversations. The fact is that in our culture, when one talks to god, we call it prayer, and say that that is acceptable behavior. But when god talks back, then a serious malfunction has occurred. Get some help, dude.
'The difference between a Miracle and a Fact is exactly the difference between a mermaid and seal. It could not be expressed better.'
-- Samuel "Mark Twain" Clemens
"I think that in the discussion of natural problems we ought to begin not with the scriptures, but with experiments, demonstrations, and observations".
- Galileo Galilei (1564-1642)
"In short, Meyer has shown that his first disastrous book was not a fluke: he is capable of going into any field in which he has no training or research experience and botching it just as badly as he did molecular biology. As I've written before, if you are a complete amateur and don't understand a subject, don't demonstrate the Dunning-Kruger effect by writing a book about it and proving your ignorance to everyone else! "
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
November 5, 2013 at 8:52 pm
I don't actually have a bible to refer to, the books in my house are all fiction, Tom Clancy, Lee Child, some others... (rather a small collection as of now).
I suppose I could look up the verses online. But if I had one bible, wouldn't I actually need many others because there are different versions?
This does seem like an odd place to learn more about God, and I wonder how much you, GodsChild, look at the other religions in the forum. What do you learn there?
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
November 6, 2013 at 12:57 am
(November 5, 2013 at 8:52 pm)Owlix Wrote: I don't actually have a bible to refer to, the books in my house are all fiction, Tom Clancy, Lee Child, some others... (rather a small collection as of now).
I suppose I could look up the verses online. But if I had one bible, wouldn't I actually need many others because there are different versions?
This does seem like an odd place to learn more about God, and I wonder how much you, GodsChild, look at the other religions in the forum. What do you learn there?
The English Standard is a good translation if you're going for just one. I do not really look at other religions, they have nothing to offer me.
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RE: Computer Scientists "prove" God exists
November 6, 2013 at 1:13 am
All of them offer at least as much as Christianity in soothing your infantility, GC, but most can't begin to match Christianity in what they would take from your cognitive potential.
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