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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 1:44 am
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(November 6, 2013 at 9:32 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: (November 6, 2013 at 9:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: It's His right as your creator.
GC
One of the many reasons I wouldn't bow down to god even if it was real
You might believe that now but, wait till you die, your story will change.
GC
(November 6, 2013 at 10:22 pm)Brakeman Wrote: (November 6, 2013 at 9:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: It's His right as your creator.
GC
So god doesn't care what people want, only what he wants.
His ultimate will reigns, and yes He cares what you want or He would not have given you a choice.
GC
(November 6, 2013 at 10:26 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (November 6, 2013 at 10:22 pm)Brakeman Wrote: So god doesn't care what people want, only what he wants.
And now, GC's lost any right he might have had to ever use a free will argument again. 
 Look above.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 4:39 am
(November 6, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: Scripture tells us that God doesn't tempt, so how is it you can blame God for your sin, did He force you to make wrong decisions. If you happen to be talking about Adam and Eve, then you must believe that God shouldn't have given us choice.
If your child disobeyed you would you throw him into a fire and watch him burn? Would you then proceed to do the same to his offspring?
btw, God forced the pharaoh to sin against him. He hardened his heart so that he wouldn't let his people go and then proceeded to kill every first born son in Egypt.
(November 5, 2013 at 2:21 pm)Godschild Wrote: That's all you got, surely you can do better than that, is the temple the same as the church. The temple is a building after all.
tem·ple1
ˈtempəl/
noun
noun: temple; plural noun: temples
1.
a building devoted to the worship, or regarded as the dwelling place, of a god or gods or other objects of religious reverence.
synonyms: house of God, house of worship, shrine, sanctuary; More
church, cathedral, mosque, synagogue, shul;
archaicfane
"at the altar of the temple"
either of two successive religious buildings of the Jews in Jerusalem. The first (957–586 BC) was built by Solomon and destroyed by Nebuchadnezzar; it contained the Ark of the Covenant. The second (515 BC–AD 70) was enlarged by Herod the Great from 20 BC and destroyed by the Romans during a Jewish revolt; all that remains is the Western Wall.
noun: Temple; noun: the Temple
a group of buildings in Fleet Street in London that stand on land formerly occupied by the headquarters of the Knights Templar. Located there are the Inner and Outer Temple, two of the Inns of Court.
noun: the Temple
a synagogue.
a place of Christian public worship, esp. a Protestant church in France.
synonyms: house of God, house of worship, shrine, sanctuary;
church, cathedral, mosque, synagogue, shul;
archaicfane
"at the altar of the temple"
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You were saying?
(November 6, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: I do not know of any Christians that condone slavery, yet there are tens of thousands of atheist who believe in slave trafficking young girls in the sex slave trade.
Source?
(November 6, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: It's your responsibility to learn, if you believed the church was teaching you wrong you should have gone to scripture to find the truth.
I did. The scripture supported their teachings. It seems to be you who are going against God's word.
(November 6, 2013 at 3:28 pm)Godschild Wrote: You are the one who chooses hell, you could choose Christ you know.
You have the following choices, which do you choose?
A.) Kill yourself
B.) Cut off your hand
C.) Ask why your only options are A and B
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 6:12 am
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(November 6, 2013 at 8:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: The cutoff as you put it, salvation. No that is determined by what one does here. Very simple to understand, God did not make this hard.
That isn't what I was referring to. How much "good" is sufficient to get one into heaven? If we are to speak of the fairness of eternal reward and punishment, then we would need to understand that everyone gets one or the other, no? The person who barely does enough to escape hell gets the same eternal reward as the most virtuous person who ever lived. The person who falls just short of heaven gets the same eternal punishment as the most vile and despicable person who ever lived. Does either scenario strike you as fair?
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 8:15 am
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 8:38 am
(November 7, 2013 at 1:44 am)Godschild Wrote: (November 6, 2013 at 9:32 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: One of the many reasons I wouldn't bow down to god even if it was real
You might believe that now but, wait till you die, your story will change.
GC No. When I die, my story will end.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 11:03 am
(October 2, 2013 at 11:18 pm)catfish Wrote: I think I need "hell" to be defined if solidifying being an atheist can keep one out of it.
Do you need Allah or Thor to threaten you to be good? If you need a fictional poofdaddy to threaten you that is childish morality. Adult morality is doing the right thing even when no one is watching to punish you.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 11:08 am
(November 7, 2013 at 1:44 am)Godschild Wrote: You might believe that now but, wait till you die, your story will change. It must be really great to get so much smug satisfaction out of this threat. You'll be able to watch us all suffer from your nice comfy cloud, and won't we be sorry then!
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 11:30 am
(November 7, 2013 at 8:38 am)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: (November 7, 2013 at 1:44 am)Godschild Wrote: You might believe that now but, wait till you die, your story will change.
GC No. When I die, my story will end.
GC thinks in terms of this:
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Great film, killer song, but criminally misleading title.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 2:23 pm
(November 7, 2013 at 11:08 am)Zazzy Wrote: You'll be able to watch us all suffer from your nice comfy cloud, and won't we be sorry then!
He'll be too busy running his own galaxy to notice our suffering.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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