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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 1:44 am
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(November 6, 2013 at 9:32 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: (November 6, 2013 at 9:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: It's His right as your creator.
GC
One of the many reasons I wouldn't bow down to god even if it was real
You might believe that now but, wait till you die, your story will change.
GC
(November 6, 2013 at 10:22 pm)Brakeman Wrote: (November 6, 2013 at 9:11 pm)Godschild Wrote: It's His right as your creator.
GC
So god doesn't care what people want, only what he wants.
His ultimate will reigns, and yes He cares what you want or He would not have given you a choice.
GC
(November 6, 2013 at 10:26 pm)Esquilax Wrote: (November 6, 2013 at 10:22 pm)Brakeman Wrote: So god doesn't care what people want, only what he wants.
And now, GC's lost any right he might have had to ever use a free will argument again. 
 Look above.
God loves those who believe and those who do not and the same goes for me, you have no choice in this matter. That puts the matter of total free will to rest.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 4:39 am
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 6:12 am
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(November 6, 2013 at 8:56 pm)Godschild Wrote: The cutoff as you put it, salvation. No that is determined by what one does here. Very simple to understand, God did not make this hard.
That isn't what I was referring to. How much "good" is sufficient to get one into heaven? If we are to speak of the fairness of eternal reward and punishment, then we would need to understand that everyone gets one or the other, no? The person who barely does enough to escape hell gets the same eternal reward as the most virtuous person who ever lived. The person who falls just short of heaven gets the same eternal punishment as the most vile and despicable person who ever lived. Does either scenario strike you as fair?
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 8:15 am
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 8:38 am
(November 7, 2013 at 1:44 am)Godschild Wrote: (November 6, 2013 at 9:32 pm)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: One of the many reasons I wouldn't bow down to god even if it was real
You might believe that now but, wait till you die, your story will change.
GC No. When I die, my story will end.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 11:03 am
(October 2, 2013 at 11:18 pm)catfish Wrote: I think I need "hell" to be defined if solidifying being an atheist can keep one out of it.
Do you need Allah or Thor to threaten you to be good? If you need a fictional poofdaddy to threaten you that is childish morality. Adult morality is doing the right thing even when no one is watching to punish you.
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 11:08 am
(November 7, 2013 at 1:44 am)Godschild Wrote: You might believe that now but, wait till you die, your story will change. It must be really great to get so much smug satisfaction out of this threat. You'll be able to watch us all suffer from your nice comfy cloud, and won't we be sorry then!
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 11:30 am
(November 7, 2013 at 8:38 am)Optimistic Mysanthrope Wrote: (November 7, 2013 at 1:44 am)Godschild Wrote: You might believe that now but, wait till you die, your story will change.
GC No. When I die, my story will end.
GC thinks in terms of this:
![[Image: neverending-story.jpg]](https://images.weserv.nl/?url=outskirtsbattledome.wikispaces.com%2Ffile%2Fview%2Fneverending-story.jpg%2F150837859%2Fneverending-story.jpg)
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 12:19 pm
Great film, killer song, but criminally misleading title.
At the age of five, Skagra decided emphatically that God did not exist. This revelation tends to make most people in the universe who have it react in one of two ways - with relief or with despair. Only Skagra responded to it by thinking, 'Wait a second. That means there's a situation vacant.'
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RE: And Hells come back to haunt me
November 7, 2013 at 2:23 pm
(November 7, 2013 at 11:08 am)Zazzy Wrote: You'll be able to watch us all suffer from your nice comfy cloud, and won't we be sorry then!
He'll be too busy running his own galaxy to notice our suffering.
Even if the open windows of science at first make us shiver after the cozy indoor warmth of traditional humanizing myths, in the end the fresh air brings vigor, and the great spaces have a splendor of their own - Bertrand Russell
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